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Antepost Market for 2020 Flat Racing Season

Faugheen_Machine said:
They introduced him at 14/1 and kept it for a good 20 minutes after the race. I was slightly concerned as he was already trading at 7/1 on Betfair so I could easily have traded out instantly.

Live chat was no use. Got the usual response of we don't have to explain why you've been restricted and it was a trading decision.
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Yep, I had that 15 months ago. No move from them since, I did ask two or three months back and got nowhere.
Im sure they would give me free reign to lose heavily in their casino instead. :mad-new:
 
Anyone got a screenshot of what the racing post have stuck up today for their antepost bets for the rest of the flat season?
 
FaugheenTheMachine said:
Anyone got a screenshot of what the racing post have stuck up today for their antepost bets for the rest of the flat season?
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Tempus - Cambridgeshire - Dave Randall
Bell Rock - Cambridgeshire - Robbie Wilders
Billsdon Brook - Sun Chariot - Graeme Rodway
Peaceful - Prix D'Opera - Dave Jennings
Keep Busy - Prix D'Abbeye - James Hill
Coltrane - Cesarewitch - Paul Kealy
Golden Pal - Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint - Mark Boylan
Guarana - Breeders Cup Filly & Mare Sprint - Tom Collins
 
High Definition looks a Derby horse all over.
What price are unibet ???:highly_amused:
 
Managed to get 25's.
That stride though.
commentator said turn off foot !
Turn of foot my arse.
More like one stride to the other horses 2.
 
kinloch brae said:
Whether you are on for the Guineas or not I wouldn't be in a hurry to try and play down what happened yesterday. Sometimes the visual impression, rather than the clock, is what matters most. Sometimes very ordinary horses have broken track records. It doesn't make them world beaters. Time boffins were all over the likes of Visionari and Kinross last season. Neither have looked like winning a race since.

You would have to be in cuckoo land to think yesterday's winning verdict was an accurate measure of the winner's superiority. You don't recover from being hampered like that in any race, let alone a Group 1 unless you are very good. In all likelihood had they gone quicker he wouldn't have had such a difficult passage and would have won with the minimum of fuss. Even though there wasn't really a second I would be very careful in attempting to beat any form down with O'Brien runners. We all know how they can take a massive and sometimes unexpected step forward.

I like Chindit but although I would mark up his Champagne Stakes win a little, I doubt the O'Brien horse who finished relatively close would be in the same league as Thunder Moon. I don't think Cadillac was anywhere near as impressive in winning a weaker race.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Thunder Moon this season. I am a strong believer in the idea that the more you do at two the less you have to play with at three. I don't think he needs more experience and he has already laid down a strong marker to be considered the champion 2 y-o. Far more important that he beats those who contest the Dewhurst next season in the 2,000 Guineas. The price might look attractive if you have missed the 14/1 for the Guineas but given his change of pace I wouldn't have the Derby on my mind at the moment.

As for the fillies they are beating each other up. Shale and Pretty Gorgeous have now had some pretty hard races and nine runs between them. They set a decent standard but I would be far less surprised if a maiden winner progressed past those two than Thunder Moon. As one example I was pretty impressed with Thinking Of You at Limerick on Friday. Perhaps you could consider something like Rockfel for her and then who knows? She is probably one of many lurkers who might improve past those with the obvious form.
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I won't be giving up on Thinking Of You just yet. In terms of winning today's race she was given a dreadful ride. I would be surprised if she isn't comfortably the best of that field, particularly upped in trip and ridden for stamina rather than speed.
 
Looks as if the rain has scuppered Love's chances. There was always a fair chance that might happen. Perhaps we are in for a shock as the 2020 version of Enable is no certainty.
 
kinloch brae said:
Looks as if the rain has scuppered Love's chances. There was always a fair chance that might happen. Perhaps we are in for a shock as the 2020 version of Enable is no certainty.
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Raabihah even less chance of acting on the ground than Love and not surprised she is drifting. She should have been 25/1 after the Vermeille. If you are on those two (and nothing else) I would be looking to salvage something.
 
kinloch brae said:
Raabihah even less chance of acting on the ground than Love and not surprised she is drifting. She should have been 25/1 after the Vermeille. If you are on those two (and nothing else) I would be looking to salvage something.
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You would really try and 'salvage' something from a 20/1 bet on Love as she's now drifted to 11/4?


That's a bit extreme isn't it? Ground isn't in her favour, but it doesn't suit plenty of them either.

Stradivarius is 3rd favourite, so if the market has it right and he's genuinly the 3rd most likely winner, then I'll be perfectly happy with Love, and even Raabihah at 33/1 if that's the opposition.
 
Kevloaf said:
You would really try and 'salvage' something from a 20/1 bet on Love as she's now drifted to 11/4?


That's a bit extreme isn't it? Ground isn't in her favour, but it doesn't suit plenty of them either.

Stradivarius is 3rd favourite, so if the market has it right and he's genuinly the 3rd most likely winner, then I'll be perfectly happy with Love, and even Raabihah at 33/1 if that's the opposition.
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Agreed.
Ground bollocks as usual.
It's not like one of the opposition is a tractor is it ?
 
Regarding the Arc, none of this lot go in the sloppy stuff better than they run on better ground.
I’m not sure there is a soft ground angle for any of them, in the race.

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I looked through all of the entries this afternoon, couldn’t find another angle, so decided to leave it, and invest further into SANTA BARBARA to win the 1000 Guineas, and to win the Oaks, before the prices collapse further.

Her debut was pretty special, the best debut on RPR’s for any filly less than 50/1 in the betting for both the 1000 Guineas and the Oaks.

I’m thinking that she will be the one to put it up to Shale and Pretty Gorgeous in the 1000 Guineas, and I think Santa Barbara is an even better selection for The Oaks.

I need to see if I can find a special out there for her to win both.
 
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Quevega said:
Agreed.
Ground bollocks as usual.
It's not like one of the opposition is a tractor is it ?
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Come Sunday it will interesting to see who is actually talking bollocks. I have tried to offer a little bit of advice but if nobody wants to listen that's up to to them.
 
jack1092 said:
Why's that?
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I am assuming you think it will okay on the ground rather than have an equal problem to Love. The horse's action, the fact that it has been kept away from soft ground, and the pedigree on both sides.
 
Kevloaf said:
You would really try and 'salvage' something from a 20/1 bet on Love as she's now drifted to 11/4?


That's a bit extreme isn't it? Ground isn't in her favour, but it doesn't suit plenty of them either.

Stradivarius is 3rd favourite, so if the market has it right and he's genuinly the 3rd most likely winner, then I'll be perfectly happy with Love, and even Raabihah at 33/1 if that's the opposition.
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I am not on Love at anything like that price but if I had 200/1 I would still be looking around for an alternative. The hope is that she is a much stronger filly than last year and will be able to cope with a softer surface that much better. There are very few horses who are equally exceptional on quick and slow ground and she also needs a career best to win.
 
kinloch brae said:
I am assuming you think it will okay on the ground rather than have an equal problem to Love. The horse's action, the fact that it has been kept away from soft ground, and the pedigree on both sides.
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No i was just wondering why she had even less of a chance of going on it.. that's all.
 
kinloch brae said:
Come Sunday it will interesting to see who is actually talking bollocks. I have tried to offer a little bit of advice but if nobody wants to listen that's up to to them.
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It is mate, And you may be proved correct. Although with racing it's rarely ever clear cut, why individual horses get beat.
I've put up numerous examples of horses that have put up career best runs after the trainer had spent years telling us they only go on certain ground. It's true that some actions are more suited, but it's also true that many adapt.
It's just a natural thing to do to lift your knees more when running on softer/stickier ground.

I appreciate your 'advice' (I'd call it opinion) and am happy to ignore some of it, and take some on board.
Although you can sometimes be like an Oncologist telling a patient they've got cancer.
And consoling them with the words "we're all going to die mate"
 
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