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Arkle/Marsh/RSA/NH Chase - Novice Chasers 2021 (new)

Just watched Easywork's videos again too Saxon and agree he will take some beating in the RSA. He's a relentless galloper with a touch of class and strikes me it's a fair guess at this stage that the RSA will be his target and Envoy will aim for the Marsh.

He ran a cracking race in the Ballymore and certainly wasn't stopping at the line. As you point out, he looked much better at two-and-ahalf than over the minimum trip this season and seems much more likely to wind up in the Gold Cup than the Ryanair in a couple of years.

Feeling excited already to have him on board at 33s, all thanks to you. Love to see Davy on board next March.

Very kind words indeed, Nortons,

Having backed him 5 weeks ago, I felt it odd that the Bartlett became (and still is) an all-consuming focus at the top of the RSA market, and felt it odd that Easywork was being completely ignored in the market.

A full check over the form, ratings, breeding and most importantly the videos, led me to take another crack at the 33/1 again.

The fact he is trained by Gordon Elliott is a big bonus too.

Easywork jumped brilliantly for Jack Kennedy over 2M4F when breaking the Unexcepted bubble by 22 lengths, and either Jack or Davy would be great on board in the RSA.
I really dont see the O'Leary's being interested in letting Easywork take on Envoi Allen in the Marsh.

25/1 for the RSA, or 16/1 To Win Any Race, to my mind, is still one of the best long-range antepost bets in the current Cheltenham markets.

I don't think he is small horse (which has been quoted here) but I do think he looked smaller than The Big Getaway when running upsides and just behind him for over 2 miles at Cheltenham.

Any horse would look small compared with The Big Getaway, and for nimbleness reasons, I would rather have an Easywork-sized horse than a huge horse.
 
Going to put something out there that I don't think anyone's mentioned. I'm far from convinced that Appreciate It will stay hurdling. Mullins sent Cheltenham Bumper winner Florida Pearl straight over fences the following season when he duly won the RSA. I'm thinking he could do the same with AI. He's already won a point, he's a huge beast who looks certain to be a better horse over the bigger obstacles and the biggest factor for me is that he'll be 7 come March. They see him as a future staying chaser so I don't see the point spending a season hurdling as he'll be 8 in his novice chase season. I've backed him for the RSA at 50's as he doesn't have the pace to go Arkle/Marsh and I can't see him going NHC. Any thoughts??
 
Interesting angle.
If he does go chasing, retaining the partnership with Patrick Mullins would perhaps be a consideration though, in the NH Chase?

50/1 though with cashout, certainly peaked my interest.
 
Interesting angle.
If he does go chasing, retaining the partnership with Patrick Mullins would perhaps be a consideration though, in the NH Chase?

50/1 though with cashout, certainly peaked my interest.

Yep, good point. He did strike me as looking very one paced (albeit a decent one paced!) In the Bumper and when he was beaten in his point by Envoi so extreme distances would suit.
 
Going to put something out there that I don't think anyone's mentioned. I'm far from convinced that Appreciate It will stay hurdling. Mullins sent Cheltenham Bumper winner Florida Pearl straight over fences the following season when he duly won the RSA. I'm thinking he could do the same with AI. He's already won a point, he's a huge beast who looks certain to be a better horse over the bigger obstacles and the biggest factor for me is that he'll be 7 come March. They see him as a future staying chaser so I don't see the point spending a season hurdling as he'll be 8 in his novice chase season. I've backed him for the RSA at 50's as he doesn't have the pace to go Arkle/Marsh and I can't see him going NHC. Any thoughts??

Lobos,

I think at that age, he should be going chasing asap.

The owners only have two or three horses, and had Carefully Selected run 2nd in the Champion Bumper in 2018, with a near identical profile to their Appreciate It.

2 runs over P2P's (Form 31- Appreciate It RPR 90, Form 21 - Carefully Selected RPR 91)
4 runs in Bumpers
2 Bumper Wins & 2 Bumper Places (Appreciate It RPR 138 - Carefully Selected RPR 142)
2nd in the Festival Bumper at age of 6

Carefully Selected lost his first season out of Bumpers, and reappeared aged 7 on 17th March in a Maiden Hurdle win, before 3rd in a Grade 1 at Punchestown over 3M behind Minella Indo.

We all saw Carefully Selected's Novice Chase season, 3 wins, building up in distance, before a tired 3rd, when falling in the NH Chase.

I dont know if he would have gone chasing straight after bumpers, but his late start left him as a delayed hurdles runner.

Definitely can see a rationale given his age to try chasing, and WPM should know the likely strength of novice chasers next season.
A National Hunt Chase plan could be hatched, unless Carefully Selected's performance put them off.

This sort of debate is where the Forum excels, thank you Lobos.:encouragement:
 
Very kind words indeed, Nortons,

Having backed him 5 weeks ago, I felt it odd that the Bartlett became (and still is) an all-consuming focus at the top of the RSA market, and felt it odd that Easywork was being completely ignored in the market.

A full check over the form, ratings, breeding and most importantly the videos, led me to take another crack at the 33/1 again.

The fact he is trained by Gordon Elliott is a big bonus too.

Easywork jumped brilliantly for Jack Kennedy over 2M4F when breaking the Unexcepted bubble by 22 lengths, and either Jack or Davy would be great on board in the RSA.
I really dont see the O'Leary's being interested in letting Easywork take on Envoi Allen in the Marsh.

25/1 for the RSA, or 16/1 To Win Any Race, to my mind, is still one of the best long-range antepost bets in the current Cheltenham markets.

I don't think he is small horse (which has been quoted here) but I do think he looked smaller than The Big Getaway when running upsides and just behind him for over 2 miles at Cheltenham.

Any horse would look small compared with The Big Getaway, and for nimbleness reasons, I would rather have an Easywork-sized horse than a huge horse.

He's quite clever too.

I was impressed by much of his hurdling but he didn't get them all right.

And when Easywork got in too close - which he did on several occasions - he looked after himself and fiddled his way over.

Augers well for his chasing career, hopefully.
 
Decent thought train on AI that Lobos, could be right given the age and time off he's had.Nice follow up Saxon,certainly food for thought if he does another Mullins chaser to slot in for next season.
 
Any thoughts or news re Felix Desjy for Arkle

40s available.....but don’t know latest re injury
 
Janidil has been cut from 50/1 to 20/1 with unibet. 33/1 is still available with bet365 for the NH chase
 
Is it the JP ownership angle folk are liking for the NH route with Janidil? Can't say seems an obvious type for the race imo.
 
Is it the JP ownership angle folk are liking for the NH route with Janidil? Can't say seems an obvious type for the race imo.

I think it's also that despite his campaign pre Cheltenham, Willie thought he was a staying type and put him in the Albert Bartlett.

Despite finishing 'only 8th', the Albert Bartlett is littered with horses that didn't feature at the business end but went on to have excellent results thereafter, including some in the National Hunt Chase.



I don't know where he'd end up but can see why people may chance 33/1 with 365 when they could likely cash out if the target does look wrong at one stage. In fact, I might just do that :highly_amused:
 
I think it's also that despite his campaign pre Cheltenham, Willie thought he was a staying type and put him in the Albert Bartlett.

Despite finishing 'only 8th', the Albert Bartlett is littered with horses that didn't feature at the business end but went on to have excellent results thereafter, including some in the National Hunt Chase.



I don't know where he'd end up but can see why people may chance 33/1 with 365 when they could likely cash out if the target does look wrong at one stage. In fact, I might just do that :highly_amused:

Pretty sure Norton's put him up at 50/1 a few weeks ago.
 
Is it the JP ownership angle folk are liking for the NH route with Janidil? Can't say seems an obvious type for the race imo.

Think he’ll be aimed at the rsa myself, jp likes a runner there too! He has several likely candidates for the nh chase and looks a bit light on genuine rsa contenders at this stage. Mullins also has a few that could be aimed at the nh chase.
 
Yeah I know the AB loves a "flopper" going forward so to speak, just don't see the appeal of him over further. We all know Willie don't arse about with the brown plate/Ultima ,only intermediate trip of the Marsh not many will want to take on Envoi if sticking there potentially so could end up an RSA type not that he's light there next season. If Gordy had him he'd be plotting him to lose a few lbs already and he'd be a steady anyrace poke.
 
Yeah I know the AB loves a "flopper" going forward so to speak, just don't see the appeal of him over further. We all know Willie don't arse about with the brown plate/Ultima ,only intermediate trip of the Marsh not many will want to take on Envoi if sticking there potentially so could end up an RSA type not that he's light there next season. If Gordy had him he'd be plotting him to lose a few lbs already and he'd be a steady anyrace poke.

Well I suppose the people that do like him / have backed him ... are confident Willie is right about the trip.

Your eye probably isn't as good for these things as his? :p



I think I'd have backed him if he was with Gordon though too.
 
Think he’ll be aimed at the rsa myself, jp likes a runner there too! He has several likely candidates for the nh chase and looks a bit light on genuine rsa contenders at this stage. Mullins also has a few that could be aimed at the nh chase.

Which horses you referring too that JP will have for the NH Chase? I think he’s a bit thin on the ground the season ahead. Apart from Dickie Diver I cant think of any other JP horses that will be aimed over that kind distance as a novice??
 
I think it's also that despite his campaign pre Cheltenham, Willie thought he was a staying type and put him in the Albert Bartlett.

Despite finishing 'only 8th', the Albert Bartlett is littered with horses that didn't feature at the business end but went on to have excellent results thereafter, including some in the National Hunt Chase.



I don't know where he'd end up but can see why people may chance 33/1 with 365 when they could likely cash out if the target does look wrong at one stage. In fact, I might just do that :highly_amused:

Apologies if this seems pedantic but Janidil was 5th in the AB, beaten 11 1/2 lengths. He was 4th last jumping the second last and going very easily. Then made up ground but had his run checked and couldn't go with the front four on the run to the last. Plugged on up the hill to finish 5th. Would be a very classy contender in the 4-miler. You can also back him 22-1 (including bet boost) twar with Hills.

Here's why I think he could end up in the NH Chase (from diary May 11):

I just want to highlight Janidil as a speculative punt for the National Hunt Chase.

He's 50-1 with Unibet but could well be favourite IF he lines up on the day. And yes I accept that's a big IF but at 50-1......

I've been trying to work out what target Willie and JP will choose for him at next year's Festival and I don't think the NH Chase is quite so fanciful.

He's six now and picked up 2 big handicap hurdle pots over 2miles this season before finishing fifth in the AB, just over 11 lengths behind Monkfish. I'm a big fan and backed him that day. It was his first try over 3miles and Mark Walsh held him up right out the back. He came through nicely to track the leaders in the straight but he got left behind the front four when things got serious. To be honest I was slightly disappointed but it was a very hot race and MW was asking a lot to win it from out the back.

Janidil's got a lot of options next season.

He could stay hurdling (rated 149) and go for the County Hurdle, Coral Cup or the Stayers Hurdle (best price 66-1).

He could go chasing and be aimed at the Arkle (bp 40-1), the Marsh (not quoted), the RSA (bp 40-1), the NH Chase or even one of the handicaps.

Think it's true Willie prefers the championship races to the handicaps so let's assume that's the way he'll want to go with Janidil who he talked up for the AB in the run up to the Festival even though all his starts for the stable had been over 2 miles (2 1 1 2).

Let's also assume he goes chasing which as he'll be seven next year seems likely.

I think the Arkle is the least likely option for Janidil as his strength is stamina rather than electric pace. Willie could also possibly have Klassical Dream, Elixir D'ainay and maybe even Sagalway and Aramon for the Arkle.

The Marsh is certainly a possibility but that's also probably going to be flying a bit high for Janidil. Willie has The Big Getaway and maybe Elixir D'ainay as likely contenders here - the last named in the same JP ownership as Janidil.

The RSA is also entirely a possibility but Willie has the likely favourite in Monkfish.

So that leaves the NH Chase where I know a lot of people are on Aione at fancy prices. Aione is a great bet and Patrick has already made encouraging remarks that this is his likely target. But if Janidil lines up against Aione I can't see any reason why he won't confirm his 11-length superiority over Aione in the AB.

What about JP's likely novice chase contenders?

Band of Outlaws and Aramax could go chasing and be in the mix over 2m with Elix D'ainay, Andy Dufresne and possibly Early Doors in the Marsh or RSA.

Granted, JP has a weaker hand than Willie in the novice chase division but he usually has a fancied runner in the NH Chase.

At a Festival preview Patrick Mullins said Mark Walsh absolutely loves Janidil and Patrick himself said it was exceptional for a novice hurdler to win two big open handicaps in his debut season.

And the fact that Willie was already thinking in terms of the AB despite Janidil's success over 2m makes me think a small interest in 50-1 for the NH Chase is not completely daft.

If Janidil does go chasing we are unlikely to find out his absolute target until March so there might be a bit of wriggle room to lay off part of the bet.
 
Sorry NC200, that was a genuine typo, sausage fingers must have hit the 8 not the 5 :highly_amused:


It was a good case made at the time, I haven't backed it yet but just because there isn't a rush IMO.
 
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Your eye probably isn't as good for these things as his? :p

No it's not, id take 2nd in that contest every time thou:highly_amused:

NC200, i'm certainly not knocking a 50-1 33/1 whatever poke he is, just was curious to what people had in mind with him being name checked a few times. You continue to articulate very well for what it's worth.