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RSA Chase 2020

Humble Pie said:
Well said , this forum has too much class to degenerate into personal “ slagging” matches

Moving on .....
Has anyone bought Bazza a Sat Nav for Xmas ?
:applause:
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Haha :highly_amused:
 
He’s a terrible jumper that is clear to see. Forget the fact he fell, just watch the race back and you’ll see the horse is terrible over a fence and I don’t think anyone can argue with that. He’s consistently been bad over his fences on all 3 starts this season and Yesterday was just the inevitable. The funny thing is he remains 7/2 to win in March. I hear people on hear talk about his win at Aintree last season........ forget it ! It means absolutely nothing. First of all take a look at the opposition, the form of that race amounts to literally nothing. 3 mile round Cheltenham over fences is a completely different animal to 3 miles over hurdles around Aintree. I’ve said it numerous times on here that the horse is massively overrated. Anyone that’s got bigger prices 10/1 or bigger you’ve got a decent price on a decent horse but as for backing him now at 7/2 .......... you’d need you’re head examining
 
On what basis as someone who doesnt like the horse are you saying that 10/1 is a good price on him?

You have correctly stated thr horse cant jump, that was clear from race 1. You have correctly stated the horses form is poor. I dont understand how you can have that opinion but think 10/1 is good?
 
ELEGANTLY TASTED said:
On what basis as someone who doesnt like the horse are you saying that 10/1 is a good price on him?

You have correctly stated thr horse cant jump, that was clear from race 1. You have correctly stated the horses form is poor. I dont understand how you can have that opinion but think 10/1 is good?
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Every horse is backable at the correct price. I wouldn't touch 7/2 either but would snap your hand off for 10/1.
 
ELEGANTLY TASTED said:
On what basis as someone who doesnt like the horse are you saying that 10/1 is a good price on him?

You have correctly stated thr horse cant jump, that was clear from race 1. You have correctly stated the horses form is poor. I dont understand how you can have that opinion but think 10/1 is good?
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Every horse has a price don't they?

You may not want to back Champ at 7/2, 10/1, 100/1 .... but every horse has a price worth taking.


I don't think it's a good bet to lay him at 2/7 now, but you think he won't run here and if he does run he won't win.... easy money for you to make?
 
At this level, every horse has a price that you can argue is of reasonable value. Once the perceived weaknesses have been factored in.
Your opinion on Champ is a strong one and follows a pattern of yours on many horses.

However, I found your pre-race comments more acceptable than your post race comments.
I fail to see how the performance of Champ could be anywhere near proof of your pre-race opinions.

Most horses (especially novices) will experience the odd awkward jump (especially at pace), and almost every horse in every race will meet a fence on not quite the perfect stride (leading on occasion to a visually awkward looking technique) Champ is by no means a fluent natural jumper, but he is proficient enough to be competitive at this level, and he clearly has the ability to compete in grade 1 Novice races.

He looked a class apart from the others on Wednesday and appeared to be going to win very easily (the slow to walking pace the others finished at back up that view) - However, I do accept it is a fact that we cannot be 100% sure how the race would have finished.

Your claims about him being a weak finisher on a stiff finish are not factual (as you've claimed), as one was his debut over hurdles against what turned into a graded horse, and the other was in a graded race where he was beaten by the better horse on the day.
This is not even close to being good evidence IMO.

Your strong opinion on Champ will not always be gotten out of jail by a fall at the second last.
And I cannot believe for a second that you don't believe he would have won the other day had he not fallen. It is this that makes your post race opinions come across a little biased/warped.
 
Humble Pie said:
Well said , this forum has too much class to degenerate into personal “ slagging” matches

Moving on .....
Has anyone bought Bazza a Sat Nav for Xmas ?
:applause:
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:)Haha personal slagging of poor old BG HP red card for you
50% blaming Barry
50% blaming Champ

and 50% not overly worried - shit happens
 
I didnt say he wouldnt have won the other day. I said I didnt know if he would have won or got beat and I dont know and neither does anybody else.

As for every horse having his price. Not true at all. A horse who I believe has zero chance in a race is not worth a bet at any odds.
 
Pendil said:
:)Haha personal slagging of poor old BG HP red card for you
50% blaming Barry
50% blaming Champ

and 50% not overly worried - shit happens
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Bad maths :dejection::highly_amused:
 
If people are that desperate for a 7/2 winner then Tawny Point should win the 5:30 Chelmsford. Its certainly a far stronger bet than Champ at the same odds.
Dont listen to the media who want you to think the horse doesnt like polytrack.
 
"Your claims about him being a weak finisher on a stiff finish are not factual (as you've claimed), as one was his debut over hurdles against what turned into a graded horse, and the other was in a graded race where he was beaten by the better horse on the day.
This is not even close to being good evidence IMO."

Both races Champ was travelling all over the winner but found nil up the hill.

Although its only 2 races its all the evidence we have. Champ would have traded heavy odds on in both races but found nil.

As for vindication being a graded horse that didnt happen til about 22 months and was over fences long after the champ race. He was never a graded hurdler, champ was.
More races on testing tracks would give us stronger evidencr but the 2 races is all we have to go on and it strongly suggests the horse is a flat track bully as they say.
 
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ELEGANTLY TASTED said:
I didnt say he wouldnt have won the other day. I said I didnt know if he would have won or got beat and I dont know and neither does anybody else.

As for every horse having his price. Not true at all. A horse who I believe has zero chance in a race is not worth a bet at any odds.
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Despite some of the shocking bets ive made in my life, there has never been a horse with zero chance of winning at the start of the race, not sure why your looking for an argument on the every horse has its price, this is madness to suggest that there are some horses that have zero chance.
 
ELEGANTLY TASTED said:
On what basis as someone who doesnt like the horse are you saying that 10/1 is a good price on him?

You have correctly stated thr horse cant jump, that was clear from race 1. You have correctly stated the horses form is poor. I dont understand how you can have that opinion but think 10/1 is good?
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I have repeatedly said that the horse has got an engine. He’s a poor jumper but that doesn’t mean he won’t get round does it. If he does finish he will clearly be a huge player albeit behind Minella Indo and BOD in my opinion. There is one thing for certain in racing ....... If you continue to back the horse you think will win you’ll end up broke. Every horse has a price that matches they’re chances of winning. The key is finding the value bet and at 10/1 he’d be worth a chance.
 
Did anything come to light re Unibet not listing Champ?
 
ELEGANTLY TASTED said:
If people are that desperate for a 7/2 winner then Tawny Point should win the 5:30 Chelmsford. Its certainly a far stronger bet than Champ at the same odds.
Dont listen to the media who want you to think the horse doesnt like polytrack.
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I like that ET, that’s a cool move buddy :encouragement:
 
Kautothegreat8 said:
He’s a terrible jumper that is clear to see. Forget the fact he fell, just watch the race back and you’ll see the horse is terrible over a fence and I don’t think anyone can argue with that. He’s consistently been bad over his fences on all 3 starts this season and Yesterday was just the inevitable. The funny thing is he remains 7/2 to win in March. I hear people on hear talk about his win at Aintree last season........ forget it ! It means absolutely nothing. First of all take a look at the opposition, the form of that race amounts to literally nothing. 3 mile round Cheltenham over fences is a completely different animal to 3 miles over hurdles around Aintree. I’ve said it numerous times on here that the horse is massively overrated. Anyone that’s got bigger prices 10/1 or bigger you’ve got a decent price on a decent horse but as for backing him now at 7/2 .......... you’d need you’re head examining
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I was one who raised the G1 Aintree novice hurdle 2019 but only as a rebuttal of EE claim of "fact" that the horse had never run over the RSA distance. I made no claim of class, jumping ability or how good/bad the race was - only that he has previously won over 3ml 1/2f
 
Pendil said:
I was one who raised the G1 Aintree novice hurdle 2019 but only as a rebuttal of EE claim of "fact" that the horse had never run over the RSA distance. I made no claim of class, jumping ability or how good/bad the race was - only that he has previously won over 3ml 1/2f
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Aintree and punchestown form I’d put a line through. Very rarely does it tally up with Cheltenham
 
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