Mares Novice Hurdle 2019

[Hurricane fly]

The crux of my argument is, before this race top class mares were a) few and far between and b) not coming over for novice races

So it can only be a good thing

The fact that the winner hasn’t been too hard to find is just a bonus

 

[Kevloaf]

If Chante Neige cruises up and wins easily on her debut I can guarantee that my heart will be pumping at a rate of knots due to her being my biggest winner

The crux of my argument is, before this race top class mares were a) few and far between and b) not coming over for novice races

So it can only be a good thing

The fact that the winner hasn’t been too hard to find is just a bonus

The fact your biggest winner of the festival is a mare with no entries, no wins, no races in the UK, no races in Ireland is pretty surprising HF!

Get your head in that form-book rather than the debate about what Laurina should do

 

[Hurricane fly]

Two doubles with 1 leg already won means I have her at 60/1 and 30/1, it was a tact I tried earlier in the year when I didn’t want to commit too much money to my first full year antepost

 

[Kevloaf]

Two doubles with 1 leg already won means I have her at 60/1 and 30/1, it was a tact I tried earlier in the year when I didn’t want to commit too much money to my first full year antepost

That makes a lot more sense.

I thought it was out of character!

I like that approach too.

 

[Middle_Of_March]

Out of interest, someone sell me why I should back her. Other than her potentially being the Mullins horse. Remember at this stage last year, the Mullins horse was expected to be Salsaretta (publicly anyway).

I happen to like the idea of a the Mares Novice but haven’t got a bet on it as of yet.

Why should I back Chante Neige lads?

 

[Middle_Of_March]

Out of interest, someone sell me why I should back her. Other than her potentially being the Mullins horse. Remember at this stage last year, the Mullins horse was expected to be Salsaretta (publicly anyway).

I happen to like the idea of a the Mares Novice but haven’t got a bet on it as of yet.

Why should I back Chante Neige lads?

I’ve just seen Epatantes win when going through this race. Blimey! How did I miss that! Thought she looked awesome.

Then saw she was bought for a decent fee after win that good french race.

I’m sold. She looked magnificent imo and that turn of foot has me backing her NRNB at 4/1. That’s a short price considering we haven’t seen the Mullins horses yet but Epatante really has passed me by until now. She won that Kempton race in a matter of strides didn’t she?

Epatante 4/1 NRNB

 

[bobbyvalentino]

What I would say is that quavega used to win this every year and now all of a sudden we have had Annie power apples jade vvm bdd and now Laurina as well as delta work going chasing were as before it didn't seem there was many mares to get excited about so I think it's already starting to pay dividends with more mares making appearances and everyone starting to get excited about the race and even them challenging grade 1s were as before it was a penalty kick every year for quavega and nothing happened outside of the mares race were as we've had Annie win a champion hurdle and try for the world hurdle at the time and now Laurina try for the champion hurdle it'll get to the stage were there'll be so many mares it'll be competing against real quality in the mares hurdle or try your chance in a championship race with the allowance and we will see more of it

Has DW had the snip?

 

[Kevloaf]

Has DW had the snip?

Maybe he's genderless or gender neutral

It is 2019

 

[Thistlecrack]

Haha apologies I meant la bague au too not sure why delta work entered my mind but I like the replies ��

 

[jack1092]

Haha apologies I meant la bague au too not sure why delta work entered my mind but I like the replies ��

Maybe you read the article where they are likely to faceoff at Dublin Fez!

 

[jack1092]

Out of interest, someone sell me why I should back her. Other than her potentially being the Mullins horse. Remember at this stage last year, the Mullins horse was expected to be Salsaretta (publicly anyway).

I happen to like the idea of a the Mares Novice but haven’t got a bet on it as of yet.

Why should I back Chante Neige lads?

The form? 1.5 Ls ahead of Elimay who not only had decent form in France, has come over and run a very promising race just beaten by Good Tyne Tara (and recorded a 137 RPR). Just to compare with Epatante, she recorded a 120RPR, though she's unexposed. Also 5Ls off Stormy Ireland who i suspect could've gone very close in one of these last year too. However, Scooby might be able to confirm but CN looks to have been Macaire's second string for the race in Auteuil, so moving to Mullin's would hint at potential improver?

One thing against her me- she has had a layoff, and whilst Mullin's can get them ready ok, there's a notable trend of the Mullin's talking horses not living up to the hype, having missed their initial "hype" season.

 

[Scooby91]

The form? 1.5 Ls ahead of Elimay who not only had decent form in France, has come over and run a very promising race just beaten by Good Tyne Tara (and recorded a 137 RPR). Just to compare with Epatante, she recorded a 120RPR, though she's unexposed. Also 5Ls off Stormy Ireland who i suspect could've gone very close in one of these last year too. However, Scooby might be able to confirm but CN looks to have been Macaire's second string for the race in Auteuil, so moving to Mullin's would hint at potential improver?

One thing against her me- she has had a layoff, and whilst Mullin's can get them ready ok, there's a notable trend of the Mullin's talking horses not living up to the hype, having missed their initial "hype" season.

She ran to be sold. She wasn't there to win. Winning would be the worst result that ever happened, her price tag would have been halved. Forms top class.
The she needs experiance argument... is laughable. She's come from the macaire academy all the way through. She's also ran.

 

[jack1092]

My point wasn't really about experience, it was more relating to the hype jobs that don't make it to their first season racing, they haven't lived up to their reps. Whether she's been injured or just held back a year is anyones guess.

But point taken, i found Macaire's LOS interview fascinating.

 

[Scooby91]

My point wasn't really about experience, it was more relating to the hype jobs that don't make it to their first season racing, they haven't lived up to their reps. Whether she's been injured or just held back a year is anyones guess.

But point taken, i found Macaire's LOS interview fascinating.

She had a setback and was put away.

I don't think it was yourself, but a few people posting from a while back saying she needs to be out etc...

 

[Middle_Of_March]

The form? 1.5 Ls ahead of Elimay who not only had decent form in France, has come over and run a very promising race just beaten by Good Tyne Tara (and recorded a 137 RPR). Just to compare with Epatante, she recorded a 120RPR, though she's unexposed. Also 5Ls off Stormy Ireland who i suspect could've gone very close in one of these last year too. However, Scooby might be able to confirm but CN looks to have been Macaire's second string for the race in Auteuil, so moving to Mullin's would hint at potential improver?

One thing against her me- she has had a layoff, and whilst Mullin's can get them ready ok, there's a notable trend of the Mullin's talking horses not living up to the hype, having missed their initial "hype" season.

Some good points. Cheers.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Scooby... I notice you've said a few times Epatante is a shocking price... but to my eyes Chante Neige being only twice the price of her is more shocking.

Chante Neige could obviously be anything, but at this stage, she has achieved very little and the price is based on little more than connections and is pure hype. Epatante's French form certainly has some substance to it, and she won as she liked twice. She has also shown her well being by winning a race here, and regardless of how poor that form may be, it was a taking performance.

 

[Middle_Of_March]

Scooby... I notice you've said a few times Epatante is a shocking price... but to my eyes Chante Neige being only twice the price of her is more shocking.

Chante Neige could obviously be anything, but at this stage, she has achieved very little and the price is based on little more than connections and is pure hype. Epatante's French form certainly has some substance to it, and she won as she liked twice. She has also shown her well being by winning a race here, and regardless of how poor that form may be, it was a taking performance.

I looked through the betting for this after asking why I should back Chante Neige.

From everything i looked at, I’d agree with you.

The turn of foot being the key point on her - particularly in the Kempton race.

 

[Scooby91]

Scooby... I notice you've said a few times Epatante is a shocking price... but to my eyes Chante Neige being only twice the price of her is more shocking.

Chante Neige could obviously be anything, but at this stage, she has achieved very little and the price is based on little more than connections and is pure hype. Epatante's French form certainly has some substance to it, and she won as she liked twice. She has also shown her well being by winning a race here, and regardless of how poor that form may be, it was a taking performance.

Epatante French form is aqps bumpers it's nothing. Canelie had simular form

French aqps races at small tracks.
against auteuil over hurdles against graded hurdlers is night and day.

 

[Can't Catch Me]

Epatante French form is aqps bumpers it's nothing. Canelie had simular form

French aqps races at small tracks.
against auteuil over hurdles against graded hurdlers is night and day.

'Nothing'?! Thats ridiculous imo. She beat El Martel out of sight and that horse went on to beat Eldorado Allen. Im not disputing CN ran in a stronger race, but Epatante can only beat whats put in front of her and there are some decent formlines in amongst what she has done.

 

[Scooby91]

'Nothing'?! Thats ridiculous imo. She beat El Martel out of sight and that horse went on to beat Eldorado Allen. Im not disputing CN ran in a stronger race, but Epatante can only beat whats put in front of her and there are some decent formlines in amongst what she has done.

I know you was going to bring up el Martel.
What relevance does that have?
A bumper race to a hurdle?0
The 2nds been tailed off in every run since.
And el Martel was well beaten on her next run down the field.

You can't take elderado allen's1st run over hurdles before he was being sold for a big fee retaining his novice status. As anything to do with epatante.