Foxhunter Chase 2020

[Kevloaf]

Not jumping straight can't be classed as "jumping superbly".

It means he's eating time getting from A to B putting in extra strides off to the left.


It has to be a concern no matter what prices you're on at ... and it was more than a few that he did it at.

 

[Lobos]

I really can't look past Hazel Hill in this at all. That may sound arrogant but a record of 1 shock defeat (at 2/11) in his last 17 races spread over 5 years is second to none. He won last year's Foxhunter very cosily and I see no reason to desert him. Any other horse with a record like that would not be 7/1 for a repeat and at that price I can't understand anyone trying to find one to beat him. He is the current value in the race.

 

[Liammet]

I really can't look past Hazel Hill in this at all. That may sound arrogant but a record of 1 shock defeat (at 2/11) in his last 17 races spread over 5 years is second to none. He won last year's Foxhunter very cosily and I see no reason to desert him. Any other horse with a record like that would not be 7/1 for a repeat and at that price I can't understand anyone trying to find one to beat him. He is the current value in the race.

I really like and respect the chances of hazel hill
However,I have a rule and am not about to abandon it
Happy for him and faugheen to win,I will even cheer the latter on if he still has a chance at the last
But I will not back a 12 year old horse at Cheltenham even if they won this race in previous years
Good luck though

 

[Quevega]

I really like and respect the chances of hazel hill
However,I have a rule and am not about to abandon it
Happy for him and faugheen to win,I will even cheer the latter on if he still has a chance at the last
But I will not back a 12 year old horse at Cheltenham even if they won this race in previous years
Good luck though

I couldn't agree more with the 12yr old thing.

But with
Hazel Hill, Faugheen, Un de Sceaux & Thistlecrack

some good 12yr olds this year.
Someone's bound to a yankee with that.

To be fair, you'd be hard pressed to say they all wouldn't place at least.

 

[Viking Flagship]

I really like and respect the chances of hazel hill
However,I have a rule and am not about to abandon it
Happy for him and faugheen to win,I will even cheer the latter on if he still has a chance at the last
But I will not back a 12 year old horse at Cheltenham even if they won this race in previous years
Good luck though

I would tend to agree however this is the one race at the festival where it's easy to see the case for making an exception. In my write up for the race last year I said this... "looking at the last 5 years, 10yo+ have occupied 16 of the top 25 places, in fact the first 3 in last year’s race were all aged 11 or 12".

I realise this stat includes 10 and 11 year olds but the last 3 runnings have all seen a 12yo in the first 4 and it's clear that ageing horses do disproportionately well.

 

[Lobos]

I would tend to agree however this is the one race at the festival where it's easy to see the case for making an exception. In my write up for the race last year I said this... "looking at the last 5 years, 10yo+ have occupied 16 of the top 25 places, in fact the first 3 in last year’s race were all aged 11 or 12".

I realise this stat includes 10 and 11 year olds but the last 3 runnings have all seen a 12yo in the first 4 and it's clear that ageing horses do disproportionately well.

Plus you need to factor in HH has very little mileage on the clock. Just 21 races since starting at age 6, 16 wins, 4 places and a PU on his debut.

 

[Middle_Of_March]

Not jumping straight can't be classed as "jumping superbly".

It means he's eating time getting from A to B putting in extra strides off to the left.


It has to be a concern no matter what prices you're on at ... and it was more than a few that he did it at.

Jumping left isn’t a massive issue for Cheltenham though imo. It’s a left handed track.

As for jumping superbly, I think he did if you can look past the erratic jumps out left (he may have been bored out on his own for so long)

 

[Middle_Of_March]

I really can't look past Hazel Hill in this at all. That may sound arrogant but a record of 1 shock defeat (at 2/11) in his last 17 races spread over 5 years is second to none. He won last year's Foxhunter very cosily and I see no reason to desert him. Any other horse with a record like that would not be 7/1 for a repeat and at that price I can't understand anyone trying to find one to beat him. He is the current value in the race.

Before W & H came along, Hazel Hill was my bet too. At 10s

I’m happy to go into it with them both.

 

[Lobos]

Before W & H came along, Hazel Hill was my bet too. At 10s

I’m happy to go into it with them both.

And likewise the trainer. Great chance of winning it again with those 2 darts. Will Alex jump off last year's winner to ride WAH? Big statement if he does

 

[Middle_Of_March]

And likewise the trainer. Great chance of winning it again with those 2 darts. Will Alex jump off last year's winner to ride WAH? Big statement if he does

I’d be suprised. Surely he won’t - as much as I’d love to see it

 

[Lobos]

Reynolds says HH will run in PTP this Sunday at Sherrif Hutton and will have one more run before making his defence. With regards to Wishing and Hoping he sees him more as a long term plan and that it might be he is NEXT years Foxhunter horse.

 

[Middle_Of_March]

Reynolds says HH will run in PTP this Sunday at Sherrif Hutton and will have one more run before making his defence. With regards to Wishing and Hoping he sees him more as a long term plan and that it might be he is NEXT years Foxhunter horse.

He better still run him though!

 

[Humble Pie]

He better still run him though!

Owners own Smad Place , horse is 10 ( W&H ) , be amazed if it doesn’t run

 

[Middle_Of_March]

Owners own Smad Place , horse is 10 ( W&H ) , be amazed if it doesn’t run

I’d be relatively confident he will run but the trainer talking him up as next years horse isn’t really what I want to be reading.

 

[Lobos]

I’d be relatively confident he will run but the trainer talking him up as next years horse isn’t really what I want to be reading.

Also said that he might have missed something and that he may be hurting as never jumped left before. HH only made his Foxhunter debut last year so makes sense they may give WAH more time.

 

[archie]

The thing about WAH jumping left is that it's insignificant if he doesn't jump left going left-handed. However, if he still does he would have to be taken right before each fence so he would actually still be giving up the same amount of ground.

I haven't watched the replays but there's no mention of not jumping straight in his previous chases so you'd have to be mildly concerned at how noticeable it was at Taunton. As Lobos said, it could indicate something not quite right so it would be nice to see him out again soon. Still a price where you can take a chance I suppose but 8/1 the favourite looks better value as it stands.

 

[Humble Pie]

David Maxwell comments on horse riding Racing Tv

“ as much fun as you can have with your trousers on “

:highly_amused:

 

[Saxon Warrior]

The rider of WAH said he had never jumped left before.
WAH earned a 144 RPR for yesterdays run and this rating would have earned him a first three place in all of the last 10 Foxhunters, and in four of those years it was enough for 1st place.

 

[Quevega]

The thing about WAH jumping left is that it's insignificant if he doesn't jump left going left-handed. However, if he still does he would have to be taken right before each fence so he would actually still be giving up the same amount of ground.

I haven't watched the replays but there's no mention of not jumping straight in his previous chases so you'd have to be mildly concerned at how noticeable it was at Taunton. As Lobos said, it could indicate something not quite right so it would be nice to see him out again soon. Still a price where you can take a chance I suppose but 8/1 the favourite looks better value as it stands.

That doesn't always pan out (the needing to be taken right thing), as there's usually enough going on in the horses eye line to help to straighten them. Not always though.

 

[jack1092]

Surprised Some Man hasn't been mentioned in here + priced up. Impressive today and in the right hands.