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2022 Novice Hurdle Division

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Saxon Warrior said:
You can't diss a horse because one that he beat easily, bombs out in a future race.

Ther could be plenty of reasons why todays horse didn't run up to form.

Happens every day in loads of races. :frown-new:
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I know. Doesn't always work that way. Interesting that PT rode him yesterday.
 
I wont back him for anything at cheltenham but will be interested to see how SUPER SIX goes today..usually the bumper gives future winners all the way down to last place so maybe a roll up opportunity aswell as he is evens
 
Spectre said:
Guily Billy is a Coastal Path out of a Dom Alco Mare so should be sharp enough for bumpers at the moment you'd think. He'll certainly start down the bumper route, the trouble is HdB usually has a quiet bumper season with them or gets them over hurdles quickly. Given it's Cheveley with the success they've had going down this route, they may still aim him at the Champion Bumper though.
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Exactly my thinking behind backing him for the bumper Spectre
 
JackieMoon33 said:
My Mate Mozzie I’d have for Supreme or Ballymore myself. I’m interested about the Albert Bartlett angle as I don’t see it myself?

Letsbeclearabouit 100% Albert Bartlett
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Yeah, MMM is on my radar, but I completely agree about trip, couldn't exactly decide which one but do think Letsbeclearaboutit will mean its either Supreme or Ballymore.
 
I had Grangeclare West added for the Albert Barlett to 365 at 20/1. I asked for Porticello - Triumph too but that hasn't been priced up (yet).
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Kotkijet Great list. The one I like that is missing is Iberique Du Seuil - any thoughts? Bet365 refusing to add him at present.
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He's entered in the first at Gowran on Saturday but I've now had two mates declined by Bet365 to add him to the Triumph market.
 
The Fellow said:
excellent shout , even get the boost to 22/1 , nice to have him covered
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it's a decent price to get 22s TWAR (albeit you don't have the luxury of 365 cash out), considering 25s for the bumper which I had originally backed. Personally, I prefer that route so just cashed out my bumper bet and have reinvested into the TWAR market instead.
 
BigChaang said:
50-1 at w.h. Jackie Moon, ..no cashout though.
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I’m surprised that Bet365 aren’t taking a bet then. Very strange as they have all the other early, talking horses listed.
 
Kotkijet said:
Only intended to have a glance but the more I looked, the more excited I got. Still reckon the 25/1 is stingy at this stage but he's a very intriguing recruit all the same...

Iberique du Seuil bg Gordon Elliott b1-0-1 (-) 0 (Mikael Seror)
Spanish Moon (Equerry){u}(2.25) 2/2 Defi du Seuil 1st Triumph Hurdle (G1), Cheltenham 2017
https://www.equidia.fr/chevaux/iberique-du-seuil
Mikael Seror was the source of three juvenile hurdlers last season with two of them being winners. Siroco Jo won at Newbury in March for Paul Nicholls while Heross du Seuil made a winning debut at Kempton for Nicky Henderson. The latter's younger half-brother, Iberique du Seuil is another who started his career with Mikael Seror, although he has moved to Cullentra and is set to carry the colours of Noel and Valerie Moran. Iberique du Seuil had his sole outing in an AQPS flat race at Vichy over 2400 metres at the start of August. Held up fourth of six, he was shaken up to challenge two furlongs out but ran very green when coming under pressure. He soon found his rhythm however, and ran on strongly before being denied by a head at the line. Though it can not be said for certain, he probably would have won the race with the benefit of a few more strides. AQPS flat form used to be more difficult to assess, although the introduction of pattern contests in the sphere has been a useful addition to the program when it comes to evaluating form. This is especially pertinent when it comes to the Vichy contest as the first and third from that race subsequently filled same positions in reverse order in the Group III bumper at the same venue sixteen days later. While French bumper recruits are fairly rare arrivals at Gordon Elliott's, three of his five (Dakota Moirette, Dinaria des Obeaux and Toner d'Oudairies) managed to win as juveniles with each of them earning RPRs exceeding 126 in the process. Although Spanish Moon is capable of producing talented jumpers, he does not have the strongest of records with his juveniles. While dual scorer Grand Roi was one of his four to have raced in Britain and Ireland, his winner to runner rate with three-year-olds in France stands at just 10%. Nevertheless, being a half-brother to Heross du Seuil makes Iberique du Seuil a cousin of another former French bumper horse in 2017 Triumph Hurdle winner Defi du Seuil. Other notable relatives on the damline include the good handicap chaser Caramaran du Seuil (2/1), Reynoldstown winner Jimmy Tennis (3/1) and the versatile and talented Coo Star Sivola at 3/3. While French bumper form will be difficult to compare to the flat or hurdles form bought by other other prospective juvenile hurdlers, Iberique du Seuil would have the strongest credentials insofar as potential, breeding and connections are concerned. There is the possibility that Iberique du Seuil could be much better after his first campaign, but it will still be very interesting to see what he can do this season in the likely event he is sent straight over hurdles.
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Entered in a maiden hurdle at Gowran Park this weekend.
 
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JackieMoon33 said:
He's entered in the first at Gowran on Saturday but I've now had two mates declined by Bet365 to add him to the Triumph market.
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Yes I asked someone to request 365 add him to the market too, and they declined Jackie.

I like what he did and the cross-form it produced, and specifically that Elliott has him out and ready early, which is confirmation for me that Elliott likes him enough to want to get experience in early and then put him away so he's fresh for the Festival.
 
Spectre said:
Yes I asked someone to request 365 add him to the market too, and they declined Jackie.

I like what he did and the cross-form it produced, and specifically that Elliott has him out and ready early, which is confirmation for me that Elliott likes him enough to want to get experience in early and then put him away so he's fresh for the Festival.
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Hey Spectre, I noticed he was priced up with WH at 50-1, no cash out there though.
 
I want him with cash out and will take the shorter price with 365 when they price him up SDM. Thanks for flagging though.
 
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Spectre said:
Yes I asked someone to request 365 add him to the market too, and they declined Jackie.

I like what he did and the cross-form it produced, and specifically that Elliott has him out and ready early, which is confirmation for me that Elliott likes him enough to want to get experience in early and then put him away so he's fresh for the Festival.
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Duffle Coat won the race for Gordon last year too.
 
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