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Ultima Business Solutions Handicap Chase 2018

Dingo Dollar is interesting price for this with B365 at 33-1.
Lot shorter with Coral and Lads, and shortened today paddys and betfair.
Looks good jumper who will be up with pace, which ain't a bad thing for this race.
 
quevega said:
Dingo Dollar is interesting price for this with B365 at 33-1.
Lot shorter with Coral and Lads, and shortened today paddys and betfair.
Looks good jumper who will be up with pace, which ain't a bad thing for this race.
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Any idea what has causes the move with the others?

Not too familar with the horse.... only had 1 run ina double figure field and came 14/18 would be a slight concern for me...
 
This race has been going to higher rated horses recently from memory? Looking at a 145+ horse I would say to win most Ultima’s now
 
Kevloaf said:
Any idea what has causes the move with the others?

Not too familar with the horse.... only had 1 run ina double figure field and came 14/18 would be a slight concern for me...
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No.
Coral and lads just seem to have taken a cautious view, but paddys and betfair look like they've took money for it.
It's a novice so naturally lacks big field experience's.
But won it's last two.
Trained by King
and is a novice with a nice mark of 143.
all decent plus points for this race.
Don't particularly fancy it or anything strongly in this race, but it looks likely to be shorter than 33's for sure.
 
quevega said:
No.
Coral and lads just seem to have taken a cautious view, but paddys and betfair look like they've took money for it.
It's a novice so naturally lacks big field experience's.
But won it's last two.
Trained by King
and is a novice with a nice mark of 143.
all decent plus points for this race.
Don't particularly fancy it or anything strongly in this race, but it looks likely to be shorter than 33's for sure.
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You’re right I think on the trends having just checked. 14 out of last 17 gone to horses rated 143 and below
 
I like keeper hill for this race. To me 3m will suit better than 4m, nice mark, progressive form and profile. The owners said they will announce later in week which race he’ll take in
 
Robbante said:
I like keeper hill for this race. To me 3m will suit better than 4m, nice mark, progressive form and profile. The owners said they will announce later in week which race he’ll take in
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I would look at taking the NRNB if you've not already, the race looks like not having an obvious handicap blots
Gold Present is the classiest by a mile but has a big weight.
Singlefarm looks likely to run his race again.
Then theres nothing stands out.
Except that there's many entered here that just will not run, If you tick them off you can easily form a differnet book of prices
which is why Dingo Dollar interested me because it's the horses only entry, and King's only got 2, with the other being Mia's storm which surely runs in the RSA
 
quevega said:
I would look at taking the NRNB if you've not already, the race looks like not having an obvious handicap blots
Gold Present is the classiest by a mile but has a big weight.
Singlefarm looks likely to run his race again.
Then theres nothing stands out.
Except that there's many entered here that just will not run, If you tick them off you can easily form a differnet book of prices
which is why Dingo Dollar interested me because it's the horses only entry, and King's only got 2, with the other being Mia's storm which surely runs in the RSA
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Yep been struggling for inspiration on this one. 11 out of last 16 winners come from first 4 in the betting, so one for me to get involved in closer to the time when we can see how the market is forming. Not gone in on Keeper Hill yet but will be checking for that announcement later in the week
 
jono said:
I had completely missed Coo Star Sivola's win on Friday at Exeter. Into 16/1 for the Ultima best price and 14/1 NRNB. Does this interest anyone? I know there's been a few mentions on the horse over the season, when it looked like the Close Brothers could be an option. Interestingly he only has entries in the JLT and the one handicap race - the Ultima.

3 miles didn't look to suit first time out over fences at Chepstow (won by Mia's Storm with Elegant Escape in 2nd) but on soft ground over 3 miles at Exeter it certainly didn't seem a problem. It was obviously a drop in class and he was entitled to win. Having been rated 135 going into the race, and with 134 being the mark needed for a run last year, I get the feeling they chose a race like this, one to test him over the 3 miles again and secondly to ensure he wins and gets a rise to ensure he gets a run.

Plenty of form around Cheltenham (23164324) which includes 3rd in the Fred Winter and 4th in the Martin Pipe. Surprisingly (to me looking back) he went off 13/2 2nd fav in the Martin Pipe last year and also went off fav on trials day in the race Frodon won. Kev made a good point in thinking he's probably more a place prospect which i'd agree with so 14/1 is a tad on the short side if that's the case? But there's every chance he'll be one of the shorter priced runners on the day.

I'm yet to back and keen to see what mark he goes up to on Monday. A big rise would temper my enthusiasm for him. Any ideas what mark he would be likely to get? Beat Ice Cool Champs (133) by 14 lengths with Lizzie Kelly claiming 3lbs.

One negative to his chances would be the record of 6 year olds in the race:

2017 - 2 ran - 11th and PU
2016 - 2 ran - 10th and UR
2015 - no runners
2014 - 1 ran - 2nd (Ma Filleule)
2013 - 3 ran - 8th, 13th, UR

= 1 placed from 8 runners in the last 5 years

Could suggest it's a race that comes a year too soon? Which would lead me onto another horse...
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Went up 7lbs to 142.

Absolutely torn between waiting to see if enhanced places come out and him still being around 16/1 OR taking 4 places and anticipation the price to drop based on the points you've made being picked up...

I see from the preview night, Pricewise likes Coo Star Sivola AND Paul Kealy........ A nudge to back now before people start backing (or bookies start shortening) his selections?
 
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Coo Star Sivola Just noticed 188bet are 16/1, NRNB and BOG, 4 places, 1/4 the odds - so added 1.5 pts e/w
(and created an account!)
 
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Kevloaf said:
Coo Star Sivola Just noticed 188bet are 16/1, NRNB and BOG, 4 places, 1/4 the odds - so added 1.5 pts e/w
(and created an account!)
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Was going to say that's bound to shorten, as Kealy always puts that up whenever it runs, and then saw your post in the previews thread :highly_amused:
 
Kevloaf said:
Coo Star Sivola Just noticed 188bet are 16/1, NRNB and BOG, 4 places, 1/4 the odds - so added 1.5 pts e/w
(and created an account!)
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I've seen 188 bet coming up best price a lot at the moment. so I did what I always do when I see something I don't know - I googled "188bet legit"

I checked their online trust scores and reviews.......wow.
 
robith said:
I've seen 188 bet coming up best price a lot at the moment. so I did what I always do when I see something I don't know - I googled "188bet legit"

I checked their online trust scores and reviews.......wow.
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Good or Bad?
 
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