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Stayers Hurdle 2020

jono said:
Cashed out my bet on Emitom for this with PP. He could well still feature so I toyed with keeping the 33/1 but he looked a very raw horse last year and for me he's one where I really think would have benefitted most from a full campaign building up the experience for this race. A campaign starting off in the new year at best with just a couple of runs likely makes him less of an appeal. Big shame as one I was looking forward too and though he'll still be on mind for this, I'll happily reassess come the new year at a shorter price
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What percentage of your stake did you get back Jono? The PP cash outs on my bets vary wildly, often as little as 20-30% of original stake when the price hasn't moved
 
I got my stake back plus 10% on the cashout for Emitom but the price had come in from 33's to 20's.
I agree their cashout offering is certainly less generous than b365 though. Not that i'm looking to cash him at all but Al Dancer for example for the Arkle is still 33/1 from when I backed him and I am currently offered 60% stake back.
To be honest I pretty much view any cashback offering from PP a bonus as it usually is fairly poor in comparison.
 
That's really good (for PP).

My Al Dancer is 60% as well, maybe they've improved their cash outs slightly as some of my others have risen slightly without a price change.
 
Added laurina stayers 55.0 50.0

Thought this is where she will go all season, been waiting and just about managed to get enough on to make me somewhat interested. She's not a champion hurdler. She's not quick enough at her hurdles, Ruby's style makes her look like she's travelling very well, but it's all happening too fast for her. Jared has 2 nice mares already for the mares race. Laurina was entered in the 3m hurdle race at punchestown, where she wasn't entered for the chelt stayers. which indicates to me, that stepping up in trip is going to happen. benie will almost certainly go for the penalty kick in the mares, and I see no reason why either jared would put laurina in or willie would want her there when he has some decent young mares to run along side her ie elfile, eglantine de seuil, stormy ireland.

Mullins stable tour will be out in a few days, the mere mention of her needing further, options are open ...
Will lead to someone else stealing the price iv been waiting for.
 
The King Pimm said:
Would Laurina get an allowance in the Stayers?
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Yes 7 pounds. And possesses the cruising speed to do paisley park, cruise behind the leader, turn of foot between the 2nd last and the last when hes floundering, and hes in a world of trouble.
 
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Scooby91 said:
Yes 7 pounds. And possesses the cruising speed to do paisley park, cruise behind the leader, turn of foot between the 2nd last and the last when hes floundering, and hes in a world of trouble.
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Whilst you could be right on Laurina and her cruising speed, I don’t think Paisley Park has ever floundered in the last year. Without checking I’d imagine his post race comments were ‘stayed on well’ or words to that effect.
 
Scooby91 said:
Yes 7 pounds. And possesses the cruising speed to do paisley park, cruise behind the leader, turn of foot between the 2nd last and the last when hes floundering, and hes in a world of trouble.
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I havent played in race yet as I couldnt see a alternative to PPark. I do like Laurina and I thought she was still a little weak in her frame . She can only improve and strengthen so probably worth a small punt.
 
Sorry Scooby but when you state you’ve added her at 55.0 and 50.0 do you mean they are the odds you’ve got? If so, that’s incredible, Laurina is 6/1 with B365 for the Stayers!!
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Whilst you could be right on Laurina and her cruising speed, I don’t think Paisley Park has ever floundered in the last year. Without checking I’d imagine his post race comments were ‘stayed on well’ or words to that effect.
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Probably bad choise of wording.
He takes for ever to get wound up, is in no man's land, then winds up, Hits top gear and sustains it all the way to the line.

If you've a cruising speed and sit behind the leader, when he gets in trouble,( and it will happen) in his customary style, if something with the class of laurina or mister adjudicator is asked to go and win there race and kick on, hes in a world of trouble. Theres going to be some distance to make up,

I think there a blue print for beating him personally. And I'm very happy with the 2 iv backed. No interest in any of the ones he beat last year, or the likes of penhill, who wasnt THAT good, and is an absolute liability to back, 2 years on, even if he was 33s +.

I'd have to give an honourable mention to if the cap fits.
 
The King Pimm said:
Sorry Scooby but when you state you’ve added her at 55.0 and 50.0 do you mean they are the odds you’ve got? If so, that’s incredible, Laurina is 6/1 with B365 for the Stayers!!
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On the BF exchange. Its Only a good bet if she lines up, the price only indicates that someone thinks that she doesn't, and i think she will. Time will tell.
 
That’s still fantastic odds though and I do hope she does line up along with or without BDD and this years Stayers is as competitive as it can be. It seems an age since a previous winner come back to try and reclaim the crown. I think Big Bucks was the last horse to defend its crown in 2012, no other previous has tried either because they go off chasing or they get injured or even worse as we know from poor Nicholas Caynon and Solwhit.

Top ante post bet though Scooby. I’ve got nothing for this race yet.
 
Looking at this race, and as someone who doesn’t expect BDD to turn up what a poor race this could end up.

Paisley Park a short priced favourite and rightly so

Looking down the line the next viable horse to line up that I see is Penhill, 16/1 is a stretch for horse that missed the whole of last season
Apples Jade will no doubt end up a fools gold again
Unowhatimeanharry will be 12!
Supersundae lost twice and will be 10 so tough to see the improvement

Kilbricken Storm? Former AB winner but a nothing year last year., has lost his Novice tag over fences so might encourage them to stay hurdling again this year


I’ve looked back at last years thread and Paisley Park isn’t mentioned untilmid-November (fair play Jack), any horses people could see emerging from the darkness?
 
Hurricane fly said:
Looking at this race, and as someone who doesn’t expect BDD to turn up what a poor race this could end up.

Paisley Park a short priced favourite and rightly so

Looking down the line the next viable horse to line up that I see is Penhill, 16/1 is a stretch for horse that missed the whole of last season
Apples Jade will no doubt end up a fools gold again
Unowhatimeanharry will be 12!
Supersundae lost twice and will be 10 so tough to see the improvement

Kilbricken Storm? Former AB winner but a nothing year last year., has lost his Novice tag over fences so might encourage them to stay hurdling again this year


I’ve looked back at last years thread and Paisley Park isn’t mentioned untilmid-November (fair play Jack), any horses people could see emerging from the darkness?
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Not a fan of ifthecapfits?
 
The way Presenting percy won a hurdle race last year season would they go down this road?
 
somer1 said:
The way Presenting percy won a hurdle race last year season would they go down this road?
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when NRNB kicks in come Jan if hes anything like 6/1+ i'd be getting money down even thou very unlikely to run in it.
 
Hurricane fly said:
Looking at this race, and as someone who doesn’t expect BDD to turn up what a poor race this could end up.

Paisley Park a short priced favourite and rightly so

Looking down the line the next viable horse to line up that I see is Penhill, 16/1 is a stretch for horse that missed the whole of last season
Apples Jade will no doubt end up a fools gold again
Unowhatimeanharry will be 12!
Supersundae lost twice and will be 10 so tough to see the improvement

Kilbricken Storm? Former AB winner but a nothing year last year., has lost his Novice tag over fences so might encourage them to stay hurdling again this year


I’ve looked back at last years thread and Paisley Park isn’t mentioned untilmid-November (fair play Jack), any horses people could see emerging from the darkness?
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one on my list wiuld be Jessicas"not many left' got nailed in the pertemps when 3rd,would have gone close in the champion stayers at punch if stood up at the last,confirmed staying over hurdles and being aimed at this.
 
World's end.
Notorious good ground horse wins on heavy :disgust::highly_amused:
A great example of connections making ground excuses for below par performance.
 
Not priced anywhere, but could Aramon end up a player in this division?

I don't think he'll be good enough for G1 hurdles over 2miles... but he's unexposed at the trip.


then again, that's because he didn't shape like he needed a trip.



Anyway, not priced so not worth thinking about yet.
 
quevega said:
World's end.
Notorious good ground horse wins on heavy :disgust::highly_amused:
A great example of connections making ground excuses for below par performance.
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Proved right!
 
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