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National Hunt Chase (4 miler) 2019

Think there may be a rule around beginners chases and calendar years, or at least a cut off point for when you win a beginners chase and/or a novice chase, novice chase bit later I think.
 
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Anyone like White Moon for this? He was coming with a run to win at Cheltenham on Friday and I'm sure he'll thrive over this trip. I know the Tizzard's hold him in high regard.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Anyone like White Moon for this? He was coming with a run to win at Cheltenham on Friday and I'm sure he'll thrive over this trip. I know the Tizzard's hold him in high regard.
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Hasn't done enough for me to assess his credentials for a race like this and 33/1 based on that lack of information doesn't appeal. I'd want to see him over 3m first and then make an assessment. Even if he did well I doubt his price would shorten much past 25/1 so at that point I'd make a call on it.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Anyone like White Moon for this? He was coming with a run to win at Cheltenham on Friday and I'm sure he'll thrive over this trip. I know the Tizzard's hold him in high regard.
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FM,
The big worry for WM is his trainer when it comes to this race. We've had the jockey problems with EE in this race last season. Im not willing to back any Tizzard horse ante-post for this race.

Im interested in WM taking the Ultima route. The race in fell in at the weekend was won last season by Co Star Sivola who went on to win the Ultima.
 
doctorwu said:
FM,
The big worry for WM is his trainer when it comes to this race. We've had the jockey problems with EE in this race last season. Im not willing to back any Tizzard horse ante-post for this race.

Im interested in WM taking the Ultima route. The race in fell in at the weekend was won last season by Co Star Sivola who went on to win the Ultima.
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Would agree, but his staying novice chasers are mounting up, he has Kilbricken Storm, White Moon, Lostintranslation, Drinks Interval, The Russian Doyen & Vision Des Flos as potential or current staying horses. Obviously I suspect some will drop down to the JLT & RSA, but he isn't short that's for sure. I still think Kilbricken Storm will end up here personally, but again, it's purely based on my own theories/knowledge and nothing else.
 
doctorwu said:
FM,
Im interested in WM taking the Ultima route. The race in fell in at the weekend was won last season by Co Star Sivola who went on to win the Ultima.
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Coo Star Sivola was actually third to Finians Oscar but the general point is sound.

Around this time last year I found a stat along the lines of placed horses in the November novice chase being worthy of note for the novice handicap at the Festival. Unfortunately, that handicap is so tight that it's difficult to guarantee getting in the race so has to be NRNB or cash out. As the good doctor says, Coo Star Sivola has shown that the open handicaps are also an option.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
So he did. I missed that.
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Are we sure Some neck is not eligible.
Willie clearly mentioned the race after it won the other day and joked that he was surprised Patrick hadn't got it earmarked already.
And it's just won a Novice race in November of a new season which leans strongly towards it being a Novice for this season.
I'm sure that because the beginners chase (not novice chase) he won was so late in the season (Feb 2018) that he retains his novice status, I'm sure I also remember Willie stating that it was worth going for big handicaps later last season as if he didn't win he's still a novice for next year.
 
quevega said:
Are we sure Some neck is not eligible.
Willie clearly mentioned the race after it won the other day and joked that he was surprised Patrick hadn't got it earmarked already.
And it's just won a Novice race in November of a new season which leans strongly towards it being a Novice for this season.
I'm sure that because the beginners chase (not novice chase) he won was so late in the season (Feb 2018) that he retains his novice status, I'm sure I also remember Willie stating that it was worth going for big handicaps later last season as if he didn't win he's still a novice for next year.
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100% sure....
 
quevega said:
Not like you to be bullish Scooby :devilish:

How come he ran in a novice chase the other day then ?
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Your aloud in Ireland same as Townshend and the horses who ran against death duty last year. And the supreme horse against voix du reve last time.
 
Scooby91 said:
Your aloud in Ireland same as Townshend and the horses who ran against death duty last year. And the supreme horse against voix du reve last time.
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It's something along the lines of:
In Ireland if you win after the beginning of Feb, you retain your novice status until end of November of the same year...???
(Would need to check specific dates, but it is something along those lines... Archie???)
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Would agree, but his staying novice chasers are mounting up, he has Kilbricken Storm, White Moon, Lostintranslation, Drinks Interval, The Russian Doyen & Vision Des Flos as potential or current staying horses. Obviously I suspect some will drop down to the JLT & RSA, but he isn't short that's for sure. I still think Kilbricken Storm will end up here personally, but again, it's purely based on my own theories/knowledge and nothing else.
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All valid points. I'm off to ask for an Any Race price. I really liked what I saw last week and the Ultima is a race I hadn't considered.
 
Leman14 said:
It's something along the lines of:
In Ireland if you win after the beginning of Feb, you retain your novice status until end of November of the same year...???
(Would need to check specific dates, but it is something along those lines... Archie???)
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makes sense, think in UK it's end of October,
someone needs to tell Willie though, he's making plans
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Anyone like White Moon for this? He was coming with a run to win at Cheltenham on Friday and I'm sure he'll thrive over this trip. I know the Tizzard's hold him in high regard.
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Pretty much top of my list for horses to watch closely for handicaps FM... I know a friend of Puppy's and he was very, very strong on him at the weekend and absolutely loves the horse. As some have mentioned though, Tizzard is impossible to guess. So will be keeping my powder dry for the time being. Must admit my first thought that was the Ultima though.
 
In Ireland, a horse that doesn't win its first chase until February is allowed to run in novice chases until and including the first weekend in December.
Kemboy had his first chase win on 27 January so is now restricted to open company. Cadmium won his first chase on 24 February so is entitled to run in the Drinmore. After that, it will be open company for him as well.
 
It's possible that Willie meant the Kim Muir for Some Neck.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Pretty much top of my list for horses to watch closely for handicaps FM... I know a friend of Puppy's and he was very, very strong on him at the weekend and absolutely loves the horse. As some have mentioned though, Tizzard is impossible to guess. So will be keeping my powder dry for the time being. Must admit my first thought that was the Ultima though.
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I got a phone call on Friday from a decent source telling me how much the Tizzard's like him, he even said he's top of their novice chasers, which is some statement considering they have a Cheltenham festival winner going chasing this season.

He's 22/1 with labrokes or hills to win any race. That's good enough for me.
 
I thought W.M looked like the Winner there too F.M , and i think I'll go for the 22-1 A/race too,.
Like the H/cap angle though.
 
I thought White moon was the one to take out of last week's race as well and backed him for this. Didn't consider the handicaps but that's a good shout too maybe any race would have been the right way to go.
 
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