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Cheltenham Gold Cup - 2019.

Cheltenham Gold Cup - 2019.

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Something doesnt sit right with me regarding this PP episode, given how much patience and trust the owner has had with the trainer i wont be surprised if he waits till next year for a crack at the gold cup. Only a matter of time till he's supplemented for the stayers imo
 
This lack of a run is being blown out of proportion, he’s had a run albeit over hurdles more recently than native river and kemboy
 
I'd be mighty worried that it hasn't jumped a fence in public for a year though. Also I just don't get the 'ground' thing - he won the Pertemps on good ground, didn't he?

I like the horse - but I'm not sure I'd have him favourite. Apologies if this has all been gone through earlier in thread but last year's RSA doesn't look red hot in retrospect. Monalee doesn't strike me as a tip-top 3 miler (though I have backed him for Ryanair so that might colour my judgement), and then you're left looking at Elegant Escape, Ballyoptic and Black Corton.

EE I could have hitting the frame in a soft ground slog, but the other two would never be near in any Gold Cup imo.
 
Kautostar said:
This lack of a run is being blown out of proportion, he’s had a run albeit over hurdles more recently than native river and kemboy
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i cant agree, if i was a backer i'd be very concerned. The two you've mentioned have both proven they're wellbeing regarding chasing. For all we know PP could have had a tumble over fences and is only wanting to run him on soft ground to avoid any injury to him. He's avoided the good ground so far this year, and i cant imagine cheltenham will be soft this year with the water table being so high. I'm not trying be to controversial, as i said it doesnt sit right. I'd be amazed if he won the gold cup this year, but will still applaud him in he was to do it
 
These fenses in public, how different to the racecourse gallop fences? Or any fences that aren't the Gold Cup fences?

If he's fit and well (which we have some recent evidence of) not a lot changes.


I absolutely understand why people wouldn't take his price now, you could let him win at the current price confident you've done the 'right thing' ... but he's still my pick
 
Kevloaf said:
These fenses in public, how different to the racecourse gallop fences? Or any fences that aren't the Gold Cup fences?

If he's fit and well (which we have some recent evidence of) not a lot changes.


I absolutely understand why people wouldn't take his price now, you could let him win at the current price confident you've done the 'right thing' ... but he's still my pick
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Re the fences, I heard the reason Pat Kelly won't let the media visit his yard actually has nothing to do with not trusting journalists, it's because he doesn't have any fences there. This is just a rumour mind, but apparently Pat pays the residents of Craughwell a daily fee to park their cars at conveniently placed intervals in the depth of the night on a field in his yard, just to give PP some obstacles he can practice jumping over. Terrible prep if you ask me :)
 
charlie said:
Re the fences, I heard the reason Pat Kelly won't let the media visit his yard actually has nothing to do with not trusting journalists, it's because he doesn't have any fences there. This is just a rumour mind, but apparently Pat pays the residents of Craughwell a daily fee to park their cars at conveniently placed intervals in the depth of the night on a field in his yard, just to give PP some obstacles he can practice jumping over. Terrible prep if you ask me :)
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Hahaha I hope that's true.

All his wins over fences can be credited to jumping cars?

If it worked in the RSA ..... Hahaha.
 
I don't actually mind about the jumping fences. I know he cam do that, every horse cam, and he's very good at it ...

I care that he is fit as a flea on the day.

THAT is the faith ... if anyone things PP will have forgotten how to jump because he's not done it on the track they're just thinking inside the box
 
Not having the jumping cars thing
That’s got to be false
 
Kevloaf said:
Hahaha I hope that's true.

All his wins over fences can be credited to jumping cars?

If it worked in the RSA ..... Hahaha.
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Can you imagine if it was! My attempt at humour. Pat will have him ready.
 
TC2 said:
Something doesnt sit right with me regarding this PP episode, given how much patience and trust the owner has had with the trainer i wont be surprised if he waits till next year for a crack at the gold cup. Only a matter of time till he's supplemented for the stayers imo
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Nah, runs on the 15th.

Won't happen. If he's fit enough to win a stayers hurdle, there is no way they'll pass up the chance at a Gold Cup as fav.
 
To my surprise, a horse HAS won the Gold Cup before with no run over fences that season.... something in the 1920's according to a podcast...

Trends in tatters.:highly_amused:
 
Just read Davy Russell saying that Presenting Percy won’t be beaten for fitness. I am happy to accept that but, when you take a close look at the form, he really is shocking value and priced purely on perceived potential as opposed to anything he has achieved on the track.
Let’s start with this season: one run and one win. He won the Galmoy well but it was a poor renewal with the 2nd, 3rd and 4th not having run anywhere near to their marks in Ireland for some time (Bapaume did run pretty well in France at the end of last season)
If you then look at his novice season starting with his first run: a fairly labored performance to beat (the still maiden) De Plotting Shed at Galway followed by a pretty comprehensive defeat at the hands of Jury Duty on his favoured soft ground at Punchestown. He then won the Porterstown; he won well enough but it was a poor race. He then ran Our Duke to a length in receipt of 7 pounds in the Red Mills; but how good was Our Duke last season? (previously well behind Edwulf and then subsequently pulled up in the Gold Cup)
Presenting Percy was undoubtedly impressive in the RSA but if you take the view that Monalee didn’t stay, that Elegant Escape and Ballyoptic are better over further and Black Corton, admirable as he is, is short of top class, then how strong a RSA was it? (Al Boum Photo did win at Fairyhouse and may have won at Punchestown but the RSA was his first try at 3 miles over fences)

And you know what’s really frustrating? I can’t find anything that I would be confident can beat him!
 
The proven, tried and tested and successful Native River. No need to look any further for the winner here. Keep it simple in a race like this.
 
Bayoffreedom said:
Just read Davy Russell saying that Presenting Percy won’t be beaten for fitness. I am happy to accept that but, when you take a close look at the form, he really is shocking value and priced purely on perceived potential as opposed to anything he has achieved on the track.
Let’s start with this season: one run and one win. He won the Galmoy well but it was a poor renewal with the 2nd, 3rd and 4th not having run anywhere near to their marks in Ireland for some time (Bapaume did run pretty well in France at the end of last season)
If you then look at his novice season starting with his first run: a fairly labored performance to beat (the still maiden) De Plotting Shed at Galway followed by a pretty comprehensive defeat at the hands of Jury Duty on his favoured soft ground at Punchestown. He then won the Porterstown; he won well enough but it was a poor race. He then ran Our Duke to a length in receipt of 7 pounds in the Red Mills; but how good was Our Duke last season? (previously well behind Edwulf and then subsequently pulled up in the Gold Cup)
Presenting Percy was undoubtedly impressive in the RSA but if you take the view that Monalee didn’t stay, that Elegant Escape and Ballyoptic are better over further and Black Corton, admirable as he is, is short of top class, then how strong a RSA was it? (Al Boum Photo did win at Fairyhouse and may have won at Punchestown but the RSA was his first try at 3 miles over fences)

And you know what’s really frustrating? I can’t find anything that I would be confident can beat him!
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You can expect a both barrelled response from Kevloaf BoF...
 
The proven, tried and tested and successful Native River. No need to look any further for the winner here. Keep it simple in a race like this.
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I can't have native river on my mind for this. He did it well last year but his form this year and just the way he's ran really doesn't excite me. I know people say Kempton wasnt his track but he was getting scrubbed along after about 3 fences, the track surely has no baring on that.....
This year he's also got kemboy, CDO, PP and bellshill to deal with so it seems a better renewal then last year....I don't think id back him at 12/1 let alone half the price that he is now.
 
sprintersacren said:
I can't have native river on my mind for this. He did it well last year but his form this year and just the way he's ran really doesn't excite me. I know people say Kempton wasnt his track but he was getting scrubbed along after about 3 fences, the track surely has no baring on that.....
This year he's also got kemboy, CDO, PP and bellshill to deal with so it seems a better renewal then last year....I don't think id back him at 12/1 let alone half the price that he is now.
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Well he finished well enough in front of CDO at Haydock first time out. I just think a line through Kempton for Native River is the way I look at it. Cant act there whatsoever but certainly does at Cheltenham. Can't believe he's not favourite.
 
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