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Arkle 2020

I don't think GBB ran to anything like the same level as he did against Brewin yesterday and not taking that form so literally myself.
 
Scooby91 said:
It's easy to stay unbeaten (like brewin) when youve avoided the race today. Obviously you think hed have won, that's fair enough.
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Whether he would have won today or not is really the issue Scoob...,Murphy is building him up slowly and we’ll see at Sandown how good he really is but at this stage I’d agree with you taylorch.
 
Scooby91 said:
Not sure how you could do that, when GBB was workmanlike against nothing yesterday. But your entitled to think hed have won that too if you want to.
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Global citizen and Midnight shadow were both higher rated than anything that ran in today's race.
 
In all reality al dancer has been beaten giving 10 pounds in weight away against a mare who's had 4 runs in succession and went off and used her experience to her advantage.

Rhere were some good horses behind, I dont know if he'd have liked the ground today, maybe he loved it... but it was his 2nd run over fences and for me, it was a good run. And as good as anything yet, seen to date.
 
Al Dancer jumped well today and didn’t appear to kick on when trying to close up the hill so he would prefer better ground. He struggled in the Supreme on soft going so maybe he need better ground
 
Scooby91 said:
In all reality al dancer has been beaten giving 10 pounds in weight away against a mare who's had 4 runs in succession and went off and used her experience to her advantage.

Rhere were some good horses behind, I dont know if he'd have liked the ground today, maybe he loved it... but it was his 2nd run over fences and for me, it was a good run. And as good as anything yet, seen to date.
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She was more experienced, but the others all jumped really well. They were just beaten for speed. Not sure their lack of experience hindered them. They were right there all the way and just never really made an impression, even when she jumped badly at the last.

I'd say the horses that have ran against Moon Over Germany in Ireland have the more reliable form as his rating is probably about right once you look at his recent runs. Not sure the hurdle rating's that Al dancer and trump have got are quite right.
 
Today's winner is decent and it took a good one to beat her the last time.:cool:
 
FaugheenTheMachine said:
No Arkle winner there
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Posted this after the first Al Dancer v Getaway Trump race and stick by it; Getaway Trump travelled well but just doesn’t seem to find much at the end of the race. Al Dancer perhaps slightly unlucky the 3rd last fence was omitted as his jumping is a strong point but he’ll always find 1 or 2 too good in an Arkle
 
FaugheenTheMachine said:
Posted this after the first Al Dancer v Getaway Trump race and stick by it; Getaway Trump travelled well but just doesn’t seem to find much at the end of the race. Al Dancer perhaps slightly unlucky the 3rd last fence was omitted as his jumping is a strong point but he’ll always find 1 or 2 too good in an Arkle
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I'd give GT another chance on better ground and perhaps with more forceful tactics. Thought Cobden could have been more positive at the fences. The Arkle does look to be going to Ireland though. Think I'll top up in Fakir. Him and Melon for me
 
Just got back. Didn’t see an Arkle winner in amongst that lot.
 
charlie said:
Just got back. Didn’t see an Arkle winner in amongst that lot.
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I’m not the horses biggest fan but I thought GT was coming to win the race then gave the second last an almighty smack which took the stuffing out of him, likely to prove better than the bare result suggests...
 
Although Fakir has possibly set the benchmark so far, I thought is repost this from the recent JOB stable tour. Things can obviously change but he seemed suggest the intermediate trip of the JLT.

Star quality

Fakir D'Oudairies
4g Kapgarde - Niagaria Du Bois
JP McManus
B1142-2
RPR 146h OR 149h
We might go novice chasing with him. He was obviously one of the best four-year-olds around last year and he probably didn’t get a chance to fully show how good he is as we never went past 2m with him and he never really got proper soft ground. He’s schooled very well over fences and, while the JLT is a long way down the line, he wouldn’t be too far off running in something like that if he can translate his hurdling form to fences.
 
Scooby91 said:
Run them 3 in the race today, And theyd have been 1-2-3 your saying?

Any particular order?

Theres no right or wrong answer atm.
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Honestly at this point I have backed Fakir D only, but am coming round to the idea that 25/1 on Notebook is massive, looking at those that are shorter than him currently in the market.

So Fakir-Notebook-Melon of those three.

Also have liked Nube Negra’s two jumping runs, and the plan is to go into the big time with him at Sandown next timeout,
It’s all on visuals, not ratings, but he is the one that has impressed me in Britain.
 
Unfortunately think Willie will step Melon up and cant see him going for this
 
Hamptonfox said:
Honestly at this point I have backed Fakir D only, but am coming round to the idea that 25/1 on Notebook is massive, looking at those that are shorter than him currently in the market.

So Fakir-Notebook-Melon of those three.

Also have liked Nube Negra’s two jumping runs, and the plan is to go into the big time with him at Sandown next timeout,
It’s all on visuals, not ratings, but he is the one that has impressed me in Britain.
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Agree with this luckily I had a bit on notebook at 50s before yesterday but went back in at 25s after todays racing. Also had a bit of the 50s for Nube Negra when he was pushed out by betfair after his second win. Like I said earlier Fakir and Brewin look the 2 most likely atm but I don't want to have the whole field covered and I'm at 4 now so that's my limit.
 
Star quality

Laurina
6m Spanish Moon - Lamboghina
Sullivan Bloodstock Ltd
111/114-
RPR 160h OR 159h
A fine big mare who has always looked a chaser in the making. She won six of her seven starts over hurdles for us and her only defeat came in the Champion Hurdle when she finished fourth. She has schooled well over fences and we’re looking forward to starting her off, either in a 2m2f mares' beginners' chase at Thurles on Thursday or over 2m4f at Gowran on Saturday. She has the potential to make a big impact.
 
Tornado Flyer
6g Flemensfirth - Mucho Macabi
TFP Partnership
31/1P-41
RPR 143c
He won the Grade 1 bumper at the Punchestown festival in 2018 but had a limited campaign last season, failing to win in two starts after scoring on his hurdling debut. We always felt that chasing would be his game and he started off with a win at Naas this month. He should progress and do well in good races. He's in the Drinmore at Fairyhouse on December 1, but I'd say it's more likely we'll wait for the Racing Post Novice Chase at Leopardstown's Christmas meeting.
 
Seems as if Tornado Flyer could be Mullins Arkle horse for now anyway - if so given the way it'll cut up 33/1 could perhaps be huge value?
Comments & Entries suggest Melon & Laurina want further with the JLT the obvious although wouldn't be at all surprising to see one end up here come March.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Tornado Flyer
6g Flemensfirth - Mucho Macabi
TFP Partnership
31/1P-41
RPR 143c
He won the Grade 1 bumper at the Punchestown festival in 2018 but had a limited campaign last season, failing to win in two starts after scoring on his hurdling debut. We always felt that chasing would be his game and he started off with a win at Naas this month. He should progress and do well in good races. He's in the Drinmore at Fairyhouse on December 1, but I'd say it's more likely we'll wait for the Racing Post Novice Chase at Leopardstown's Christmas meeting.
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Kev gave this a big shout few pages back. On.
 
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