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Arkle 2020

Champagne Platinum
5g Stowaway - Saffron Holly
John P McManus
11-5
RPR 132h OR 138h
Impressive in his first two starts for us, he looked our best Supreme chance, but missed out with a foot issue and his fifth in a Grade 1 at Punchestown is no reflection of his ability. A forward horse, he's a mouthwatering prospect for chasing.

Mister Fisher
5g Jeremy - That's Amazing
James and Jean Potter
10/2118-7
RPR 144h OR 144h
I've always regarded him highly and he was impressive at Kempton and in a Grade 2 at Haydock, so I think he's better than his Supreme eighth. I'm sure he can reach the top and that will be over fences – a very good jumper.

Precious Cargo
6g Yeats - Kilbarry Classic
Thomas Barr
120/116-
RPR 138h OR 140h
Big and quite headstrong, he enjoyed easy wins at Kempton and Sandown and ran respectably in a Grade 1 at Aintree. His future's over fences and while he looks a big staying type, he's got bags of pace and needs a truly run 2m, although he'd stay 2m4f in time. He's exciting.
 
quevega said:
he's ran 7 times.
twice at kempton, including debut, and the rest at left handed tracks.
sounds like bollocks to me (from the trainer)
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After you 'outed' Henderson a while back, this made me chuckle as he's gone to another level :highly_amused:

My Whirlwind
4f Stowaway - Garranlee Maree
JP McManus
1-
RPR 86p
I love her and she's a sexy, strong mare who won her point in style. Time will help but she could go hurdling and I hope she'd reach the highest grade in that sphere.
 
Does seem an odd comment from Hendo re Mister Fisher. It didn't seem to bother him when he won the Rossington.
 
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JackieMoon33 said:
After you 'outed' Henderson a while back, this made me chuckle as he's gone to another level :highly_amused:

My Whirlwind
4f Stowaway - Garranlee Maree
JP McManus
1-
RPR 86p
I love her and she's a sexy, strong mare who won her point in style. Time will help but she could go hurdling and I hope she'd reach the highest grade in that sphere.
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:highly_amused:
 
Precious Cargo has been cut as low as 14/1 in places for the Arkle :highly_amused:

Makes the 50/1 on Mister Fisher look a bit of a rick to my eyes.
 
quevega said:
he's ran 7 times.
twice at kempton, including debut, and the rest at left handed tracks.
sounds like bollocks to me (from the trainer)
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I’ve tried to find the quote about struggling running left handed and preference to flat tracks but can’t find it sorry. I really liked Mister Fisher last season, I won a decent return on him at Kempton on Boxing Day last year.
 
" I'm pretty sure he's a two miler , and like Angel's breath he'll go over two miles for the supreme."
This from last years stable tour . feb 19. . if thats any help.,
 
The problem is Henderson has that many this year its hard to split them all up
Champagne platinum (arkle)
Precious cargo (arkle)
Mister fisher (could be either arkle or jlt)
Birchdale (jlt)
Angels breath (jlt)
 
Kautostar said:
The problem is Henderson has that many this year its hard to split them all up
Champagne platinum (arkle)
Precious cargo (arkle)
Mister fisher (could be either arkle or jlt)
Birchdale (jlt)
Angels breath (jlt)
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Angels Breath
5g Shantou - Mystic Masie
Walters Plant Hire & Ronnie Bartlett
1273-
RPR 148h OR 146h
Impressive when winning a Grade 2 at Ascot but didn't enjoy a smooth run around the time of the equine flu outbreak. He's a lovely prospect for chasing and will start soon, probably over 2m4f.

Personally I won't touch Angels Breath
 
Don't want to tell the trainer his job - but.
If Thomas Darby runs at warwick on Friday IMO it's poor placing.
Unless he's testing him on a speed track to help make up his mind over the trip.
In which case, As a JLT backer I'll be glad if he runs as I doubt he's quick enough around a track like that.
Depends on who else turns up though I suppose.
Unfortunately the lack of decent opposition fooled the Kalashnikov connections last season in this same race.
 
I find Mister Fisher very hard to gauge ability-wise.

Kempton run reads well enough form-wise but he was getting weight.

Haydock run again reads decently, bar the fact the 2nd is probably much more of a stayer.

Not so good twice after that....yet they seem to really like him
 
JackieMoon33 said:
Champagne Platinum
5g Stowaway - Saffron Holly
John P McManus
11-5
RPR 132h OR 138h
Impressive in his first two starts for us, he looked our best Supreme chance, but missed out with a foot issue and his fifth in a Grade 1 at Punchestown is no reflection of his ability. A forward horse, he's a mouthwatering prospect for chasing.
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Thanks Jackie. One I liked the look of before he ran at Punchestown for this race. At Nicky's Lambourne open day he was very sweet on him Novice chasing. Since then there's been very little positivity regarding him but this is definitely more of what I'd have wanted to hear.

That said Henderson loves to throw the superlatives out at times and if you backed every horse he threw high praise at you'd be struggling. More so his form to this stage doesn't yet warrant a 20/1 price
 
quevega said:
Don't want to tell the trainer his job - but.
If Thomas Darby runs at warwick on Friday IMO it's poor placing.
Unless he's testing him on a speed track to help make up his mind over the trip.
In which case, As a JLT backer I'll be glad if he runs as I doubt he's quick enough around a track like that.
Depends on who else turns up though I suppose.
Unfortunately the lack of decent opposition fooled the Kalashnikov connections last season in this same race.
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That’s exactly what Olly’s doing I think... like you I fancy this one for the JLT & had to ask Hills to add to market, not even in it at other places, just priced up for Arkle. Hopefully after this race it will confirm the JLT & we’ll be on at a decent price.
 
Though chelt looks his ideal track with the stiff finish, Thomas darby isn't slow, I think hes got a bit more pace than people are remembering. He wasnt scrubbed along in the supreme, he was just held up, travelling fine.
 
Scooby91 said:
Though chelt looks his ideal track with the stiff finish, Thomas darby isn't slow, I think hes got a bit more pace than people are remembering. He wasnt scrubbed along in the supreme, he was just held up, travelling fine.
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Looked slow at ascot and Kempton to me.
Was definitely beaten for speed in the finish.
So he's either not as fast/good as those that beat him or he needs a stronger gallop/test to be able to get the better of those types.
 
quevega said:
Looked slow at ascot and Kempton to me.
Was definitely beaten for speed in the finish.
So he's either not as fast/good as those that beat him or he needs a stronger gallop/test to be able to get the better of those types.
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From memory, as I haven't watched them back, but I thought them two races were quite tactical, I don't remember a strong gallop being set, which is what he needs.

I think he's a strong finishing 2 miler, a slow pace is no good, and they never go slow in the Arkle, he may well get further in time, in fact I'm almost positive of that, just not sure Olly will step him up this season, not whilst he has pace about him.
 
quevega said:
Looked slow at ascot and Kempton to me.
Was definitely beaten for speed in the finish.
So he's either not as fast/good as those that beat him or he needs a stronger gallop/test to be able to get the better of those types.
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I dont think hes slow at all. But to see the beat of him i'd agree.
I'd think the latter, of which your almost certainly getting in the arkle.
 
quevega said:
Looked slow at ascot and Kempton to me.
Was definitely beaten for speed in the finish.
So he's either not as fast/good as those that beat him or he needs a stronger gallop/test to be able to get the better of those types.
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I dont think hes slow at all. But to see the very best of him i'd agree.
I'd think the latter, of which your almost certainly getting in the arkle.
 
jono said:
Only a couple of days until the entries come out for Navan on Sunday. Notably the 2m1 beginners chase which has been the starting point for Footpad, Min, Douvan and Vautour over a fence.

Hopefully Laurina/Melin will feature
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Melons the one
 
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