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April ‘24 Yankee

Risky one Jonbon for the Ryanair. Not only could he step back down in trip for the Champion Chase or up again in trip for the GC, he has also suffered his only three defeats of his life all at Cheltenham. Perhaps the course just doesn't quite float his boat.
 
Brighterdaysahead is only a 5yo so don't think there will be any hurry getting her over fences. She has been quite green this year so another year over hurdles would do her good.

I agree with you about Brighterdaysahead looking immature but Gordon did suggest he was going to speak with the owners about novice chasing next season so maybe wait until more news trickles through before adding her to one of the monthly yankees??


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I'd be surprised if Brighterdaysahead stays hurdling. In my eyes, she's matured with each run and lto, was an easy ride, jumped well and showed no signs of greenness. It's not as if she's a 4yo who has had few runs. She's had 7 runs, will mature more over the summer and if Gordon and Gigginstown really think she is up there with the best they have had, I think they will send her straight over fences. The Mares chase and then Gold Cup imo.
 
Risky one Jonbon for the Ryanair. Not only could he step back down in trip for the Champion Chase or up again in trip for the GC, he has also suffered his only three defeats of his life all at Cheltenham. Perhaps the course just doesn't quite float his boat.

I think there is more chance of him stepping up for the Gold Cup now than dropping back to the Champion Chase. Just recorded his best RPR at 2 1/2m beating the winner of the Ryanair in the process. We are talking Nicky Henderson though so who knows how he will be campaigned. Surely he should be leaving 2m behind though after a career best.

Course would be a small niggle for me. He's not run badly in any of his runs at the course and was maybe finding things happening too quick for him in the Clarence House on the good to soft ground.
 
I'd be surprised if Brighterdaysahead stays hurdling. In my eyes, she's matured with each run and lto, was an easy ride, jumped well and showed no signs of greenness. It's not as if she's a 4yo who has had few runs. She's had 7 runs, will mature more over the summer and if Gordon and Gigginstown really think she is up there with the best they have had, I think they will send her straight over fences. The Mares chase and then Gold Cup imo.

Turners I reckon. That 16s won't be around forever.
 
Turners I reckon. That 16s won't be around forever.

I'm surprised it's lasted this long, already a hint that they could be looking to go over fences with her, she's already been against the boys (and give them a good thrashing too), I'd have it highly unlikely Gordon sticks to Mares race with her next season.
 
I'm surprised it's lasted this long, already a hint that they could be looking to go over fences with her, she's already been against the boys (and give them a good thrashing too), I'd have it highly unlikely Gordon sticks to Mares race with her next season.

Same. Backed her for the Turners before Aintree. Which in hindsight was a poor bet when she's available at 16s after. So I've gone in again... :emmersed:
 
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Is she an Apples Jade or a Shattered Love.....


Too hard to call.
 
Yes but will she stay Hurdling (AJ) or go chasing (SL) ?

She’ll definitely go chasing. I’d say the only decision they need to make is whether it’s next season or the one after.
 
Surely next to no chance she runs in the turner's over the mares chase

Gordon not exactly been firing in the winners in recent years. Is he really going to give up a potential penalty kick? Over facing one of ballyburn or impaire et passe?
 
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Agree, Season after next would make more sense if Ballyburn goes Chasing and Lossiemouth goes Champion Hurdle.
 
Brighterdaysahead is only a 5yo so don't think there will be any hurry getting her over fences. She has been quite green this year so another year over hurdles would do her good. Mares Hurdle looks an obvious target for her so it would surprise me if she did go chasing. Can see the appeal of Dysart Enos but she has yet to race over hurdles in graded company. Considered a quick mare who may not want the ground too testing, especially over the 2 1/2m trip of the Mares hurdle. I would rather take a shorter price when she has proven herself more.

Jonbon is one worth adding to multiples for Cheltenham, though restricted by price on who to get on with. William Hill cut the 8/1 to 6/1 for the Ryanair yesterday though the price is still fair. Is 4/1 in most places however. Protektorat got a 170 RPR for his run at Cheltenham and Aintree, giving Jonbon a 172. Surely the aim next year will be the Ryanair for Jonbon and having already beaten the winner getting an RPR higher than achieved in the Ryanair then he would have a fabulous chance, albeit we don't know who will show up from the Mullins yard. Reluctant to fancy Gaelic Warrior over 2 1/2m as he was considered to have jumped straighter as he got a lead, which would be unlikely over 2 1/2m knowing how quick the horse is. Il Etat Temps doesn't seem at his best at Cheltenham. Plenty of others are ageing now and past their best.

Yeah, Jonbon will be campaigning over the mid trip now, although I guess he could take a grade 1 over 2 miles if it fits in.
He would probably get an entry in the QM but I could only see him in that if the top Irish are not there.
Hes not going to be a Gold Cup horse imo and it seems the opinion of his jockey more importantly, so prices for Ryanair look reasonable to me.
Watching him the other day he looks a serious horse for all the top mid trip races next season.
Thats probably been his distance all along but he’s picked up some top 2m races and amassed a decent amount of prize money over 2m.
 
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I remember Tony Mullins being adamant that WPM should have sent Douvan up in trip with the long term goal being the Gold Cup. We all know injuries ruined his career as he was never the same after that Champion Chase.

Jonbon is a full brother to Douvan. I doubt Nicky will campaign him for 3m+ anyway so probably pointless mentioning this whole post :biggrin-new:
 
I remember Tony Mullins being adamant that WPM should have sent Douvan up in trip with the long term goal being the Gold Cup. We all know injuries ruined his career as he was never the same after that Champion Chase.

Jonbon is a full brother to Douvan. I doubt Nicky will campaign him for 3m+ anyway so probably pointless mentioning this whole post :biggrin-new:

JP has loads that could go for the gold cup anyway.

Corbetts Cross
Inothewayurthinkin
Fact To File
Spillanes Tower
I Am Maximus
Iroko
MeetingOfTheWaters

So in my mind Jonbon goes CC or Ryanair
 
Is it worth throwing a dart at the Arkle in this one? The picture might be a bit clearer by decision time with the Punchestown Grade 1 Novice Hurdle happening on 30th April, but even without that it feels like a race with some good value.

Looking at the odds we have:
Ballyburn 5/1, Sir Gino 10/1, Majborough 12/1, Mystical Power 12/1 all unlikely to go - Ballyburn elsewhere, juveniles given an easy season(?), Mystical Power a hurdler?
Firefox looks solid at around 8s and Elliott has finally shown he can campaign a top class two miler in Found A Fifty (what a season he had btw)
Slade Steel would probably prefer further on better ground, is apparently small in the paddock and has virtually no chasers in the pedigree (Ferns Lock and a few 110ish rated chasers only)
Impaire Et Passe would have a great chance I think, but maybe want's further now and they have Its For Me if he comes back from injury but that comes with its own doubts
Mirazur West would be very interesting if he filled the potential they clearly think he has, but he's very immature and jumps massively awkward/right handed - remind anyone of another horse?

Tullyhill is the horse I'm most sweet on at the moment. I'm more than happy to believe they got his trip wrong first time out when all of Willies were needing it and Shannon Royale (now 140) hasn't turned out to be too bad a horse over that type of distance. I'm also happy to believe he bounced after running so close to the festival. If both are the case, there's no reason for him to stay over hurdles given breeding and potential for Lossie, State Man, Ballyburn and Mystical Power to be Champion Hurdle bound so the 25/1 for the Arkle looks massive to me and I've invested appropriately.
Jeriko Du Reponet and Mistergif are others who interest me but with obvious caveats. Jeriko being his actual form, but I'd say this is a nailed target for him so I'm close to investing for myself but wouldn't put in a multiple at this point. Mistergif probably one to consider at a later point when he's won his massive handicap.

Actually, going through these via oddschecker, it really does look like a weak race. So definitely think we could target it - I'd have Tullyhill as my choice, but Firefox as an extremely solid option if people preferred that.
 
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Odin;n463063 [COLOR=#f39c12 said:
Jeriko Du Reponet and Mistergif are others who interest me but with obvious caveats. Jeriko being his actual form, but I'd say this is a nailed target for him so I'm close to investing for myself but wouldn't put in a multiple at this point. Mistergif probably one to consider at a later point when he's won his massive handicap.[/COLOR]

I know there's every chance he's crap and I didn't want to seem a fan boy but seeing as you've mentioned him first...

I found it interesting that JDR only got the one entry at Punchestown and over the intermediate trip. He probably won't take it up anyway but they've not even entered for the 2miler, which is possibly an easier race as well.

You'd normally think Arkle with Hendo and JP. But given the above I had a little dabble on the 66s for the Turners.
 
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"and has virtually no chasers in the pedigree (Ferns Lock and a few 110ish rated chasers only)"

Telescope only had his first crop of 2yos in 2019 so most of his progeny won't have been old enough to get to fences yet

Slade steel is his best hurdler by a considerable margin so will start to give us a better idea