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2025 Stayers Hurdle

Atlantic Viking said:
Probably one for the stupid questions thread, but what rules do the handicappers have to work under? By that I mean, if the horse has 2 or 3 runs well out the back do they have no choice but to drop it a few lbs or can they stick to their guns and essentially say that, despite the trainers best efforts at trying to keep a straight face each March, enough's enough?!
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Not entirely sure, but I suspect it's at the discretion of the handicapper.

That said,as Lobos has said, if after 3 or 4 runs the handicapper still hasn't dropped a horse for significant defeats they surely must look in to aspects of it being a non-trier.
 
If Langer Dan can't last the Stayers trip what other options does he have other than go Coral again? He'd be shite odds and carry a heavy weight but I can't see another Cheltenham race he could go for
 
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West Yorkshire Hurdle @ Weatherby first up for Langer Dan.

“If he ends up running in a Coral Cup again it will be off top weight, but you would have serious concerns about that as he is not the biggest.
"Unless the first three runs are absolutely diabolical we want to have a go at the Stayers’ Hurdle. He is now rated 160 and there is nothing to suggest he won’t continue running well as he showed improved form at the back end of the year at Aintree and Sandown."

Already planning a handicap drop:eagerness:
 
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Run on Mystical Power for Stayers gaining momentum. Into 22/1 from 33's with PP/Betfair. Others following suit. 365 still dangling 33's.
 
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If I was JP, I’d be v tempted to go this route

By staying hurdling, he give the option to still go CH if MP improves and he’d also have a cracking chance here if he stays

Arkle his other option looks tough & he already has a couple of potential ones (ITP & JDR)

33s with cashout too seems worth having speculatively at least…,,were they to go this route he is surely much shorter
 
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This will prob be laughed at, but Henry did mention might try 3m again

Bob Olinger is 50s …..were anything to happen to Teahupoo, then this race is suddenly wide open

I’ve done tho more with heart admittedly
 
My last outsiders shout …,and this is very left field is Lossiemouth

Just got drone 80s on exchange & 55s still there if anyone wants

Obviously it’s not the target, but things happen over a season & Willie doesn’t have a good one here yet. He could use JDG for Mares

Its prob a bet more for those with books who want cover as were she suddenly to appear here, she’d be very very short

Just to show that these are sometimes worth it, I did a similar bet on GW Arkle last year …..with Willie I think it pays to think off scenarios sometimes & cover a few odd ones in case with his most talented horses…,,the ones that could win wherever they turn up
 
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TigerRolllllll said:
This will prob be laughed at, but Henry did mention might try 3m again

Bob Olinger is 50s …..were anything to happen to Teahupoo, then this race is suddenly wide open

I’ve done tho more with heart admittedly
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BO is a very good horse but no way would he stay 3m at Cheltenham. Unfortunately he's one of those who's optimum trip is around 2 1/2m. Plenty of opportunities for him outside of the Fez though.
 
TigerRolllllll said:
This will prob be laughed at, but Henry did mention might try 3m again

Bob Olinger is 50s …..were anything to happen to Teahupoo, then this race is suddenly wide open

I’ve done tho more with heart admittedly
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Yeah think a few of us went heart over head and the 50s looked value in our head! The old cliche value loser haha but still letting it roll!
 
Big Bucks said:
Yeah think a few of us went heart over head and the 50s looked value in our head! The old cliche value loser haha but still letting it roll!
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It’s a bit heart over head

That said …,plenty 2.5 milers have won ….and he will be another year older so might stay…,,lot could depend on conditions & how race run

But if does start, he won’t be 50s or close ….and I tend to look at it more thru that light
 
TigerRolllllll said:
It’s a bit heart over head

That said …,plenty 2.5 milers have won ….and he will be another year older so might stay…,,lot could depend on conditions & how race run

But if does start, he won’t be 50s or close ….and I tend to look at it more thru that light
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Maybe a bit more head than heart .

Wasn’t Bob a bit more consistent in his runs last year, particularly showing particular resolution in his last race at Sandown against IEP? - albeit over 2 1/2 miles.

Jan 2024 he won in heavy ground at Cheltenham easily (7 lengths) from Marie’s Rock and Strong Leader over nearly 2m 5f.

Yes he will be 10 next year, but his rating is only 3lbs short of Teahupoo’s.

When Henry said he may try him again at 3m then where else is he going to go if running at Cheltenham ? If he wins/runs well in his first try at 3m this season then he won’t be 50/1 for the Stayers ! :boxing:
 
TigerRolllllll said:
My last outsiders shout …,and this is very left field is Lossiemouth

Just got drone 80s on exchange & 55s still there if anyone wants

Obviously it’s not the target, but things happen over a season & Willie doesn’t have a good one here yet. He could use JDG for Mares

Its prob a bet more for those with books who want cover as were she suddenly to appear here, she’d be very very short

Just to show that these are sometimes worth it, I did a similar bet on GW Arkle last year …..with Willie I think it pays to think off scenarios sometimes & cover a few odd ones in case with his most talented horses…,,the ones that could win wherever they turn up
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You could say the same logic applies to Impaire Et Passe if he doesn’t take to jumping fences ? :cheerful:
 
Wayward Lad said:
You could say the same logic applies to Impaire Et Passe if he doesn’t take to jumping fences ? :cheerful:
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.....and Dancing City and QDB and High class Hero and Majborough and........ Ballyburn!
 
…..Sandor Clegane running in a 3m hurdle on Saturday at Wetherby for P Nolan. No idea if it’s a season back over hurdles for him.
 
Eggs said:
…..Sandor Clegane running in a 3m hurdle on Saturday at Wetherby for P Nolan. No idea if it’s a season back over hurdles for him.
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I have seen a few trainers saying they will give 'such a horse' a spin over hurdles before going back chasing this season so far. He would be interesting if it's the hurdle route they are going down. He must have had a hell of a chance in the (old) NHC, top of the pile, and still is very high on the list. He has loads of options for a second season as a novice chaser so it's definitely one to keep an eye on for his second declaration if he takes up the hurdle engagement.
 
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I’m sure someone (maybe Blair White) said he was hurdling until a tilt at the Irish nash?
 
Sounds like Strong Leader will be heading to the Fez.....

"He has very good form and looks unexposed over three miles. The main target in the first half of the season will be the Long Walk and whether we go for a Cleeve Hurdle before the Stayers I am not sure. Hopefully, he is one of the best staying hurdlers we have on this side of the water."
 
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