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2025 Novice Chasers

JamieSensible said:
What are people's thoughts on Salver for the Arkle? I've requested a price, bit of a left field shout but ran well in the Triumph and Gary Moore does send them chasing when they're young.
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Staying hurdling this year, plan is to start at Cheltenham next month.
Chasing next season
 
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Im personally shocked that Impaire Et Passe is still available at double figure odds for the Arkle..

Across the forum I have seen people mentioning how different double green horses could potentially dictate where IEP goes. I think this is doing him a massive disservice and forgetting the talent this lad has. I believe you target your proper grade 1 horses first and then fit the others in elsewhere. The idea of stepping him up to 3 miles is something I just can't see happening with the way he races and the turn of foot he posseses. I can't see a world where willie doesn't start him out over 2 miles and if he impresses like I think he might do, he may take top rank at the minimal distance. This may be an un popular opinion but I would fancy him to get the better of ballyburn if they had to meet over 2 miles (Can't ever see Willie allowing this to happen).
 
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UpInTrip said:
Im personally shocked that Impaire Et Passe is still available at double figure odds for the Arkle..

Across the forum I have seen people mentioning how different double green horses could potentially dictate where IEP goes. I think this is doing him a massive disservice and forgetting the talent this lad has. I believe you target your proper grade 1 horses first and then fit the others in elsewhere. The idea of stepping him up to 3 miles is something I just can't see happening with the way he races and the turn of foot he posseses. I can't see a world where willie doesn't start him out over 2 miles and if he impresses like I think he might do, he may take top rank at the minimal distance. This may be an un popular opinion but I would fancy him to get the better of ballyburn if they had to meet over 2 miles (Can't ever see Willie allowing this to happen).
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Hasn't his best form been when he's been upped in trip though upintrip ?

On a serious note, I think it'll depend on how well and quick he gets over his fences, and also how well his peers within the stable also handle their fencing.
 
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UpInTrip said:
Im personally shocked that Impaire Et Passe is still available at double figure odds for the Arkle..

Across the forum I have seen people mentioning how different double green horses could potentially dictate where IEP goes. I think this is doing him a massive disservice and forgetting the talent this lad has. I believe you target your proper grade 1 horses first and then fit the others in elsewhere. The idea of stepping him up to 3 miles is something I just can't see happening with the way he races and the turn of foot he posseses. I can't see a world where willie doesn't start him out over 2 miles and if he impresses like I think he might do, he may take top rank at the minimal distance. This may be an un popular opinion but I would fancy him to get the better of ballyburn if they had to meet over 2 miles (Can't ever see Willie allowing this to happen).
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I have already stated that I think Ballyburn is a good horse in what was a very weak novice hurdle division last year. The problem is that horses who have a year in open hurdles tend to have a poor record when reverting to fences. There are always exceptions but winners at Cheltenham tend to be few and far between.
 
I have IEP backed but I've gone fairly cold on him. On his hurdle form, I'm not sure he has the speed to win an Arkle, over the minimum 2m trip he won a rubbish Moscow Flyer and was beaten by State Man twice and Bob Ollinger and has generally looked better over further.
 
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luisgarciaisgod said:
On his hurdle form, I'm not sure he has the speed to win an Arkle, over the minimum 2m trip he won a rubbish Moscow Flyer and was beaten by State Man twice and Bob Ollinger and has generally looked better over further.
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I don't understand this narrative that finishing 3 Lengths behind state man over 2 miles is seen as poor form? The day at the DRF can be completely forgotten too, I encourage anyone to re watch this back, they had to try different tactics to try and get state man beat by going from the front which the horse hated every second of and could hardly get over the hurdles. I would also highlight he did beat this years arkle winner by 8 lengths going away...
 
UpInTrip said:
Im personally shocked that Impaire Et Passe is still available at double figure odds for the Arkle..

Across the forum I have seen people mentioning how different double green horses could potentially dictate where IEP goes. I think this is doing him a massive disservice and forgetting the talent this lad has. I believe you target your proper grade 1 horses first and then fit the others in elsewhere. The idea of stepping him up to 3 miles is something I just can't see happening with the way he races and the turn of foot he posseses. I can't see a world where willie doesn't start him out over 2 miles and if he impresses like I think he might do, he may take top rank at the minimal distance. This may be an un popular opinion but I would fancy him to get the better of ballyburn if they had to meet over 2 miles (Can't ever see Willie allowing this to happen).
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I agree with you about IEP and have now backed him for the arkle after the changes to the turners but i did fancy him much more in that race, to be honest but when my bets were refunded i reinvested on the arkle. I'm hoping willie doesn't skip Cheltenham with a few and save them for aintree though.
 
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Ice said:
I agree with you about IEP and have now backed him for the arkle after the changes to the turners but i did fancy him much more in that race, to be honest but when my bets were refunded i reinvested on the arkle. I'm hoping willie doesn't skip Cheltenham with a few and save them for aintree though.
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I completely agree. The changes to the race haven't helped him and I could see him potentially going to aintree if disappointing over 2. I actually think this is much more likely than him being targeted at the browns. We may see Willie skipping cheltenham with a few more than usual.
 
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Ice said:
I agree with you about IEP . I'm hoping willie doesn't skip Cheltenham with a few and save them for aintree though.
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I hate to say it , but i can see this happening , especially with the likes of I.e.P ., and Michael O'Leary said this could happen in racing Post.
And Obviously , Willie's got a Pile of Good Horses , Can't all go to cheltenham .. :nevreness:.
 
BigChaang said:
I hate to say it , but i can see this happening , especially with the likes of I.e.P ., and Michael O'Leary said this could happen in racing Post.
And Obviously , Willie's got a Pile of Good Horses , Can't all go to cheltenham .. :nevreness:.
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Agree. Also I do think the changes will mean that Willie will keep a few more of his Novices back hurdling . The loss of the Turners probably makes it easier for Willie to send Ballyburn down the CH route as well imo.
 
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BigChaang said:
I hate to say it , but i can see this happening , especially with the likes of I.e.P ., and Michael O'Leary said this could happen in racing Post.
And Obviously , Willie's got a Pile of Good Horses , Can't all go to cheltenham .. :nevreness:.
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Well if loudmouth has said it, and he has the ability to influence things, I'd suggest it will definitely happen so he can prove himself to be right....
 
I don’t believe for one second WPM skips Cheltenham with his top horses, not a chance, imo.

He’s got that much ammunition his potential second strings would beat most over here anyway and the likely outcome will be they run at both which he doesn’t mind doing either.

He backs horses up at Fairyhouse and Aintree regularly so I don’t think we need to worry about that just because they’ve taken away 1 race. Impaire Est Passé (IEP) will be more than capable at the minimum and probably even 3m imo, it’s just whether the Ballyburns or Dancing Cities of this world are better at those distances than him (Ballyburn may still be kept hurdling so it’d be a shoe in IEP would go Arkle).
 
Hope everyone has had a great summer :) Just started going through a few races. What's everybody's thoughts on Irish Point for the Arkle? Tried at the highest level over hurdles only finding the likes of Stateman a bit too good. Stays well which is something usually required in an Arkle. 12/1 seems reasonable if taking to fences. Can't find any confirmation about him going novice chasing this season, but you'd think with them having Teahupoo for the stayers and things not getting any easier hurdling over 2 miles the better option is going fencing? Thoughts?
 
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Brooksie said:
Hope everyone has had a great summer :) Just started going through a few races. What's everybody's thoughts on Irish Point for the Arkle? Tried at the highest level over hurdles only finding the likes of Stateman a bit too good. Stays well which is something usually required in an Arkle. 12/1 seems reasonable if taking to fences. Can't find any confirmation about him going novice chasing this season, but you'd think with them having Teahupoo for the stayers and things not getting any easier hurdling over 2 miles the better option is going fencing? Thoughts?
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Would imagine him and Slade steel will be split as they’re both robcour owned.
 
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Brooksie said:
Hope everyone has had a great summer :) Just started going through a few races. What's everybody's thoughts on Irish Point for the Arkle? Tried at the highest level over hurdles only finding the likes of Stateman a bit too good. Stays well which is something usually required in an Arkle. 12/1 seems reasonable if taking to fences. Can't find any confirmation about him going novice chasing this season, but you'd think with them having Teahupoo for the stayers and things not getting any easier hurdling over 2 miles the better option is going fencing? Thoughts?
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Arkle seems the right race for him with Slade Steel going BANC.
 
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Lobos said:
Arkle seems the right race for him with Slade Steel going BANC.
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Supreme winner to the BANC? Surely not Lobos. I know there are mitigating factors with no graded Turners this time and Slade Steel really being a 2 and half mile hurdler but that is a huge leap.
 
Yosser said:
Supreme winner to the BANC? Surely not Lobos. I know there are mitigating factors with no graded Turners this time and Slade Steel really being a 2 and half mile hurdler but that is a huge leap.
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'I know there are mitigating factors with no graded Turners this time and Slade Steel really being a 2 and half mile hurdler'

Yep, that's two of the reasons. Plus same owner's Irish Point to Arkle, RB saying he's a Gold Cup horse and avoiding Ballyburn again potentially.

Apart from that he'll go to the Arkle :biggrin-new:
 
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