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Handicap Weights

Istabraq said:
Really think the Close Bros h'cap need a re-think.
39 horses within 6lb of each other at the top of the 'cap, more a conditions race than a 'cap
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Excuse my ignorance here, but why is it so bad if it is a 'tight' handicap? For the field to be seperated by just 6lb surely makes it more competitive, no?
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Excuse my ignorance here, but why is it so bad if it is a 'tight' handicap? For the field to be seperated by just 6lb surely makes it more competitive, no?
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It makes it so compressed CorD you can't look at the race as a handicap.
Just a personal view, I think the only reason they call the race a 'cap is so it isn't considered a duplicate of the JLT...
 
Istabraq said:
It makes it so compressed CorD you can't look at the race as a handicap.
Just a personal view, I think the only reason they call the race a 'cap is so it isn't considered a duplicate of the JLT...
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But what can they do? If a horse has a certain rating it is what it is, surely?

I like the tight handicaps, makes me work harder in trying to find the winner!
 
ComplyOrDie said:
But what can they do? If a horse has a certain rating it is what it is, surely?

I like the tight handicaps, makes me work harder in trying to find the winner!
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Raise the max rating to 150, that would convince a few of the JLT outsiders to come here which would add more class (assuming the 'capper has done his job well) and give a wider 'cap range top to bottom...
 
Istabraq said:
Raise the max rating to 150, that would convince a few of the JLT outsiders to come here which would add more class (assuming the 'capper has done his job well) and give a wider 'cap range top to bottom...
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And the JLT might fall apart?

I do, kind of, get where you are coming from, I don't however see a solution, as it will have knock-on effects across other races IMO.
 
Moon Racer 2lbs better of than BBB and under 11st for either the County or the Coral cup


Buzzing
 
Hurricane fly said:
Moon Racer 2lbs better of than BBB and under 11st for either the County or the Coral cup


Buzzing
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Surely Moon Racer has regressed since his meeting with BBB. It might just be me but I can't see how he can win at the festival.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Surely Moon Racer has regressed since his meeting with BBB. It might just be me but I can't see how he can win at the festival.
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The moral Supreme winner running off a light weight?

All-in :p
 
Moon Racer being talked about for imperial cup county double doesn't strike me as the kind of horse who could run twice in 6 months not to mind 6 days.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Surely Moon Racer has regressed since his meeting with BBB. It might just be me but I can't see how he can win at the festival.
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Moon Racer has done more than BBB over hurdles in beating Ballyandy and as I’ve said before I thought his betfair hurdle race was the perfect run for a mark which he’s got


Also doesn’t appear on racingposts list for the imperial cup so assume he’s not entered?
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Anyone any idea where Traffic Fluide goes? Got a decent enough weight in both The Ultima and Brown Advisory Plate. Personally think he's better over shorter but he's got a bigger price in The Ultima. I know he's entered in The Ryanair too but it feels like he's been a bit out of his depth this season and been plotted for a handicap
 
Thought it best to post this here ,. In the Racing Post Today (website ) , 2 things , - first the R.P. experts call the cut off rating for the H.caps , and second , (more important ! ) several Trainers give their Best H.cap horses and races > !. hope this helps.
 
luisgarciaisgod said:
Anyone any idea where Traffic Fluide goes? Got a decent enough weight in both The Ultima and Brown Advisory Plate. Personally think he's better over shorter but he's got a bigger price in The Ultima. I know he's entered in The Ryanair too but it feels like he's been a bit out of his depth this season and been plotted for a handicap
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I wouldn't back Traffic Fluide with counterfeit. There you go luis, I've just guaranteed he bolts up :)
 
charlie said:
I wouldn't back Traffic Fluide with counterfeit. There you go luis, I've just guaranteed he bolts up :)
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Just in my eyes He only finished 7l behind the CC winner last year and actually went off fave at Aintree in April. Just in the way he's only 8 and has been running in top quality fields I think he's interesting at a big price.

Although it seems as if I'm totally out on my own with this one, everyone seems to disagree with me.
 
luisgarciaisgod said:
Just in my eyes He only finished 7l behind the CC winner last year and actually went off fave at Aintree in April. Just in the way he's only 8 and has been running in top quality fields I think he's interesting at a big price.

Although it seems as if I'm totally out on my own with this one, everyone seems to disagree with me.
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Actually was one I also was looking closely at - but that should not give you confidence as compared to most on here, I have never left racing primary school
 
luisgarciaisgod said:
Any idea/preference to where he goes Montelado?
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I know he is longer in the Brown Advisory but nothing points to why he would be effective over further. I am not one that can decipher pedigree but would feel that 2m 5 is the limit of his distance. As you said, I can't see why his form has dipped other than in 4 runs he has dropped 11 pounds - seems to young to be over the top.
 
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