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Ryanair Chase 2018

Cue Card could go very close in this now imo. Would bring the house down.
 
I’ve had 2 pts on Didtheyleaveuoutto/Un De Sceaux double at 25/1. The former is my biggest fancy of the week so if he gets the job done at least I’ll have something onto UDS. UDS surely finishes ahead of Cue Card in this given that he’ll be a far fresher horse coming in
 
I cannot believe the amount of time I spent in to making a case for Fox Norton... having to go back on everything I said last season, think with my head and finally land on him as my selection on good ground, only for him to be ruled out.

I imagine others hurt by that much more than myself though, so bad luck, chin up, and we go again :highly_amused:

I'll have to completely re-think this again but instints say UDS even of watered "good" ground has a few lbs in hand of anything else now.

Cue Card a realistic shot, which means the race isn't actually that good *runs for cover*
 
After literally not touching this race bar a couple of small speculative exchange bets on Yorky & Min, I kind of feel relieved I let it go as it is.

UDS is now looking strong, mostly down to the fact that a lot of the opposition either is potentially not going to run or is now injured which is truly unfortunate and I feel for those on here who were on Fox Norton.

I now have to get UDS included in some multi's.
 
On what form basis does Un De Sceaux have a better chance than Cue Card? Surely the form of last year's Ryanair isn't good enough? The commentators got massively over excited. The main danger didn't turn up and he ended beating a Grade 2 horse and a decent handicapper. You would have thought he had won twenty lengths. It was a similar story to Thistlecrack winning the King George and being given a rating he could never justify. If Cue Card reproduces something like the Ascot run it should be good enough to take care of Un De Sceaux.
 
kinloch brae said:
On what form basis does Un De Sceaux have a better chance than Cue Card? Surely the form of last year's Ryanair isn't good enough? The commentators got massively over excited. The main danger didn't turn up and he ended beating a Grade 2 horse and a decent handicapper. You would have thought he had won twenty lengths. It was a similar story to Thistlecrack winning the King George and being given a rating he could never justify. If Cue Card reproduces something like the Ascot run it should be good enough to take care of Un De Sceaux.
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That's how I see it too kb.
 
kinloch brae said:
On what form basis does Un De Sceaux have a better chance than Cue Card? Surely the form of last year's Ryanair isn't good enough? The commentators got massively over excited. The main danger didn't turn up and he ended beating a Grade 2 horse and a decent handicapper. You would have thought he had won twenty lengths. It was a similar story to Thistlecrack winning the King George and being given a rating he could never justify. If Cue Card reproduces something like the Ascot run it should be good enough to take care of Un De Sceaux.
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Can't Catch Me said:
That's how I see it too kb.
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If UDS beats Cue Card and Frodon this year, he'll still have beaten a Grade 2 horse and a handicapper.... just like last year:devilish:

Cue Card isn't a grade 1 winning animal anymore? He won a Grade 1 last season.... but that was against Shantou Flyer, Royal Regatta, Taquin De Seuil, Irish Cavalier and Traffic FLuid. A grade 1 in name only?
 
That said, Cue Card at 10/1 being a better bet than UDS at 9/4 isn't too hard a case to make! :encouragement:
 
Kevloaf said:
If UDS beats Cue Card and Frodon this year, he'll still have beaten a Grade 2 horse and a handicapper.... just like last year:devilish:

Cue Card isn't a grade 1 winning animal anymore? He won a Grade 1 last season.... but that was against Shantou Flyer, Royal Regatta, Taquin De Seuil, Irish Cavalier and Traffic FLuid. A grade 1 in name only?
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Think that's quite harsh kev considering he was cantering 3 out in a Gold Cup only last year. Hard to know what he'd have done of course, but I think he's still got the ability to compete in Grade Ones as that last run proved.
 
Thistlecrack was given an unrealistic rating in the KG because Cue Card was used as the marker. Much like Tea For Two as a marker grossly overrates Might Bite this time round.
Cue Card is worthy but one good run in the last two years gives him a punchers chance at best.
 
kinloch brae said:
On what form basis does Un De Sceaux have a better chance than Cue Card? Surely the form of last year's Ryanair isn't good enough? The commentators got massively over excited. The main danger didn't turn up and he ended beating a Grade 2 horse and a decent handicapper. You would have thought he had won twenty lengths. It was a similar story to Thistlecrack winning the King George and being given a rating he could never justify. If Cue Card reproduces something like the Ascot run it should be good enough to take care of Un De Sceaux.
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The worry with Cue Card for me is that fact he is now 12 years of age and I have no doubt that the Ascot run would have taken an awful lot out of him, as it was a huge effort against an improving horse, he's then got to get ready again for another battle in just 4 weeks time, if he was younger then I'd be all over him.

Nothing would please me more than watch Cue Card absolutely hose up, but I want him to win so much that my head is telling me to leave him alone. As I'm not massively invested in the race it wouldn't be a a disaster (financially) by any stretch, so for that reason I'll just be cheering him on even though I will likely have UDS in a couple of low stakes multi's.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Think that's quite harsh kev considering he was cantering 3 out in a Gold Cup only last year. Hard to know what he'd have done of course, but I think he's still got the ability to compete in Grade Ones as that last run proved.
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It doesn't put him clear on UDS though... who is still winning the grade 1s?

I'm really pleased Cue Card is running here, I'm not saying he can't win... I just disagreed that UDS shouldn't be fav over him. Fav doesn't win every race though and can see why 10/1 would appeal.
 
I’d go as far as to say Un De Sceaux is overpriced now, should be a 13/8 shot for me. Waiting Patiently, Yorkhill, Douvan, Min not likely runners, Top Notch surely won’t be winning it. Fox Norton was the last one who I was willing to back against him (and did in an ill timed lucky 15 yesterday). Might get him involved in a couple of multis as well at a price I think is generous
 
Kevloaf said:
It doesn't put him clear on UDS though... who is still winning the grade 1s?

I'm really pleased Cue Card is running here, I'm not saying he can't win... I just disagreed that UDS shouldn't be fav over him. Fav doesn't win every race though and can see why 10/1 would appeal.
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True. But I think CC's second last time is probably better form than UDS's recent Grade One wins personally. The last two have been very poor Grade ones for me.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
True. But I think CC's second last time is probably better form than UDS's recent Grade One wins personally. The last two have been very poor Grade ones for me.
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Well we can agree that Cue Card has better form over the trip than UDS this season at least... :)

I have actually backed Cue Card at a decent price from early in the season so I should probably open up to him winning it more than I have been :p

I want to sit and really pick through this race now. Still very hard with a possibility (40%) that Yorkhill runs, and despite comments I think Min or Douvan are possibles too.... it puts me off looking for some "each way value" when I'd feel the win was 'gone'
 
Yes I've backed Min for this (along with CC) and had all but written it off.

But if Douvan does make it, will be interesting to see what they do.
 
Surely...surely Min goes to the Ryanair now?! The way he won his last, travelling so strongly and eating up the gap to Special Tiara, you'd think he'd get 2m5f. And it allows Riccito split Douvan and Min.

Unless this is all an elaborate ruse to help Min's price drift/hold, to allow staff to jump on, before Douvan gets pulled.

Really would indicate Ruby has more sway than Ricci, if Douvan and Min run in the same race. We all know he'll pick Douvan, whatever Willie says. And we all know he loves UdS.
 
I've backed Yorkhill for this tonight on the back of Mullins comments. 8/1 NRNB

Basically said 60:40 Champion Hurdle/Ryanair.
 
Since Un De Sceaux was hammered by Sprinter Sacre which of his subsequent performances actually adds to very much? Taming him has probably increased his longevity but it has also taken the edge off his speed. I don't think he could have led Speredek even if that had been the plan. I think he stopped being flamboyant after he hit the deck in that Thurles novice chase. Sadly, from the entertainment point of view Walsh was never going to have a horse dictate to him.

I think the key to Cue Card is the mix of the shorter trip and his jumping. He might always have been better at the shorter trip but they wanted to win a Gold Cup. I think trying to conserve his stamina definitely had an impact on his jumping. They can send him forward at the shorter trip.
 
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