2027 The Prices on Offer

[Carnage at Taunton]

King rasko Grey - arkle 25-1
Just thought it was worth a punt at that price as if confirmed chasing I doubt he goes near the longer trips for a while.
And would immediately be single figures, and Mullins best shot for the arkle, as it stands right now.

Worth a punt indeed !!
Fair shout that I reckon

 

[Hurricane fly]

King rasko Grey - arkle 25-1
Just thought it was worth a punt at that price as if confirmed chasing I doubt he goes near the longer trips for a while.
And would immediately be single figures, and Mullins best shot for the arkle, as it stands right now.

Have played this as well after someone here quoted Casey saying that's where he will go.

Always danger but good value, and an e/w shout in a notoriously small field

 

[Lobos]

King rasko Grey - arkle 25-1
Just thought it was worth a punt at that price as if confirmed chasing I doubt he goes near the longer trips for a while.
And would immediately be single figures, and Mullins best shot for the arkle, as it stands right now.

Could look a decent price especially if Hendo can't resist having a Champion Hurdle horse in Old Park Star.

 

[Wayward Lad]

Could look a decent price especially if Hendo can't resist having a Champion Hurdle horse in Old Park Star.

Interesting shout re OPS Champ Hurdle

Some similarity around the Sir Gino CH shout very early doors last year when fav for the QMCC

Would suit my mini Arkle book, which at the moment is ignoring the Supreme podium finishers

Where is Act of Innocence going and does that support OPS Champ Hurdle, rather than Arkle?

 

[Hurricane fly]

Does the Supreme finishing in a heap not slightly put anyone off?

It's rare to have 3 top quality horses in the one novice race so the tight finish could mean it's an average renewal, and Sober Glory has been beat at Aintree. Where as the Turners was won a bit more decisively and produced two winners at Aintree.

 

[Istabraq]

Does the Supreme finishing in a heap not slightly put anyone off?

Also worth noting that RPR (divisive I know) given to Old Park Star of 156 is the (joint) second lowest mark given to the Supreme winner in the last 10 years.
On the flip side, the best hurdler usually makes the best novice chaser so there'll be nothing new for him to be better than next year...

 

[Carnage at Taunton]

Interesting shout re OPS Champ Hurdle

Some similarity around the Sir Gino CH shout very early doors last year when fav for the QMCC

Would suit my mini Arkle book, which at the moment is ignoring the Supreme podium finishers

Where is Act of Innocence going and does that support OPS Champ Hurdle, rather than Arkle?

All I know is both are going chasing and will be kept apart which is what one would expect I would think.
Well that’s what I was told at the open day by the trainer anyway.
I notice AOI has halved in price for the Arkle from the 33 that was available.
Will probably run and run for much of the season.

 

[Lobos]

Interesting shout re OPS Champ Hurdle

Some similarity around the Sir Gino CH shout very early doors last year when fav for the QMCC

Would suit my mini Arkle book, which at the moment is ignoring the Supreme podium finishers

Where is Act of Innocence going and does that support OPS Champ Hurdle, rather than Arkle?

Of the two I'd be more certain of AOI going chasing. Not sure he'd be a BANC type.
It would also be very odd for Nicky not to have a horse aimed at the Champion Hurdle. Take Lossiemouth out the race and OPS would be fav. That said, I wasn't over impressed with the Supreme this year.

 

[archie]

Henderson has said that Old Park Star looks a chaser and his record with Supreme winners (and placed horses like Sprinter Sacre) going to the Arkle is not too shabby.

Timeform ratings:

NOVICE HURDLERS​
157p	OLD PARK STAR
156p	MYDADDYPADDY
155	SOBER GLORY
151	KING RASKO GREY
148p	TALK THE TALK
148	ACT OF INNOCENCE
148	BOSSMAN JACK

 

[Wayward Lad]

Henderson has said that Old Park Star looks a chaser and his record with Supreme winners (and placed horses like Sprinter Sacre) going to the Arkle is not too shabby.

Timeform ratings:

NOVICE HURDLERS​
157p	OLD PARK STAR
156p	MYDADDYPADDY
155	SOBER GLORY
151	KING RASKO GREY
148p	TALK THE TALK
148	ACT OF INNOCENCE
148	BOSSMAN JACK

Like this year, maybe the Arkle winner doesn’t come from the Novice Hurdle ranks?……but rather from existing young graded hurdlers or/and Juveniles?

 

[Wayward Lad]

Does the Supreme finishing in a heap not slightly put anyone off?

It's rare to have 3 top quality horses in the one novice race so the tight finish could mean it's an average renewal, and Sober Glory has been beat at Aintree. Where as the Turners was won a bit more decisively and produced two winners at Aintree.

That’s where I am at at the moment and the position I am taking early doors AP, particularly with the Arkle market

 

[Lobos]

Didn't someone on here say this year's Supreme was rated lowest in last 10 years on RPR's??

 

[Wayward Lad]

Of the two I'd be more certain of AOI going chasing. Not sure he'd be a BANC type.
It would also be very odd for Nicky not to have a horse aimed at the Champion Hurdle. Take Lossiemouth out the race and OPS would be fav. That said, I wasn't over impressed with the Supreme this year.

AOI was at one time believed to be the speedier horse verses OPS wasnt he?..….if so, then surely not a BANC horse

Do we think the owner will be happy for OPS and AOI to both contest the Arkle if their respective season plans go well?

 

[Lobos]

What's the likelihood of State Man returning next season?

Lossiemouth aside, the CH market looks all over the place.

 

[Wayward Lad]

What's the likelihood of State Man returning next season?

Lossiemouth aside, the CH market looks all over the place.

SM to old even if he does IMO

As for market chaos, then does that provide opportunity?

 

[Quevega]

AOI was at one time believed to be the speedier horse verses OPS wasnt he?..….if so, then surely not a BANC horse

Do we think the owner will be happy for OPS and AOI to both contest the Arkle if their respective season plans go well?

I’d imagine one will stay hurdling as it’s an exploitable division in the uk.
May depend a little on the placed horses in the supreme and what they decide
On breeding though and looks I’d be surprised if they didn’t opt for old park star as the novice chaser.
May send them both chasing of course and then it’ll be who shapes best
Breeding is much more solid for old park star though IMO

 

[Benjy23]

Interesting shout re OPS Champ Hurdle

Some similarity around the Sir Gino CH shout very early doors last year when fav for the QMCC

Would suit my mini Arkle book, which at the moment is ignoring the Supreme podium finishers

Where is Act of Innocence going and does that support OPS Champ Hurdle, rather than Arkle?

I don't really see the Sir Gino similarity here at all?

Be very un-Hendo like not to send him down the Arkle route.

Do like the King Rasko angle as well though. Might stick to two for my Arkle bets!

 

[Wayward Lad]

I’d imagine one will stay hurdling as it’s an exploitable division in the uk.
May depend a little on the placed horses in the supreme and what they decide
On breeding though and looks I’d be surprised if they didn’t opt for old park star as the novice chaser.
May send them both chasing of course and then it’ll be who shapes best
Breeding is much more solid for old park star though IMO

Good info on breeding, thanks

Interesting that AOI is not even quoted in the CH market, yet of the two being the more likely on breeding to stay hurdling

The bookmakers clearly see AOI as a stayer, not a 2 miler, as he is quoted in the Stayers market (same price as KRG)……are they right or is AOI a left field AP interest for the CH?

In comparison then the bookmakers clearly appear less sure about KRG and his ideal distance as he is quoted in the Arkle, CH, BANC and Stayers !

 

[Wayward Lad]

I don't really see the Sir Gino similarity here at all?

Be very un-Hendo like not to send him down the Arkle route.

Do like the King Rasko angle as well though. Might stick to two for my Arkle bets!

The point on Sir Gino was that he wasn’t considered in the betting (not quoted initially) for the CH early doors last year and was supposedly always going for the QMCH. Things changed even before he got to the racecourse based upon the owner and trainers alternatives not delivering

OPS doesn’t appear to be considered for the CH and is bound for the Arkle, yet Henderson doesnt appear to have any other options for the CH…….interestingly AOI isnt quoted this year, maybe he’s the one for the volte face next season!

 

[Carnage at Taunton]

AOI was at one time believed to be the speedier horse verses OPS wasnt he?..….if so, then surely not a BANC horse

Do we think the owner will be happy for OPS and AOI to both contest the Arkle if their respective season plans go well?

I think in time that OPS will be running over further than AOI.
For next season, I’m going with what I heard at the yard and will not be entertaining the possibility of either over hurdles.
If things change as the season progresses so be it.