Win Today & Festival

[Eggs]

It’s that time again, a new thread as to capture next years WTAF.

 

[Eggs]

….posted yesterday;

Sky;
Ballyburn & a/r 5-1; Ark 9-1; Turn 9-1; BANC 12-1
Lossie & CH 16-1
F2F & GC 16-1
Grey Dawning & Ry 40-1
Yellow Clay & Gall 50-1

PP
El Fab & CC 9/4
Bally & a/r 4-1; Turn 6-1 (was 20-1); Ark 12-1
GDC & GC 8-1
BDA & a/r 10-1; MC 12-1; MH 16-1; Turn 33-1
Jonbon & CC 12-1
F2F & GC 12-1 (was 33-1)
Lossie & CH 14-1
Gino & Ark 14-1; CH 20-1
Jade & a/r 14-1; MH 16-1
Majborough & a/r 16-1; any Nov ch 20-1; Turn 33-1; Ark 40-1
Jalon & a/r 25-1; Gall 40-1
FV & Ry 25-1 (FV to win Ry has been 33-1 Lads)
MP & Ark 33-1
Jeriko & Ark 33-1
Teeshan & a/r 33-1 (was 50-1); Sup 40-1
Firefox & Ark 33-1
You Oughta & a/r 40-1
Ile At & Ark 40-1
MP & CH 50-1
SAF & GC 50-1
Monty’s & GC 50-1
Jeriko & CH 66-1​

 

[Eggs]

….Hills Tuesday;

Firefox & CH 100-1; Ark 40-1; Turn 66-1
Jeriko & CH 100-1; Ark 66-1
Mistergiff & CH 125-1; Ark 66-1
MP & CH 50-1; Ark 40-1
Slade & CH 100-1; Ark 40-1; Turn 50-1
Tullyhill & CH 50-1; Ark 25-1; Turn 33-1
FAF & CC 80-1
GW & CC 25-1
Hunters & CC 80-1
IET & CC 80-1
JPR & CC 125-1
Master Chewy & CC 250-1
Matata & CC 150-1
MMM & CC 150-1
Quilixios & CC 80-1
Iberico & CH 150-1
Irish P & CH 50-1
State Man & CH 7/2
Ashroe & MH 50-1
Lossie & CH 8-1; MH 7/2
Corbetts & GC 50-1
Embassy & GC 100-1

 

[Eggs]

…Hills Wed;

Bally & CH 12-1; Ark 8-1; Turn 6-1; BANC 10-1
Handstands & Ark 150-1; Turn 100-1; BANC 150-1
Ile Atl & Turn 40-1; BANC 50-1; Stay 40-1
Jingko & Turn 150-1; BANC 175-1
Predators & Turn 100-1; BANC 150-1
Am Mike & 150-1
F2F & GC 10-1
Giovinco & GC 200-1
Monty’s & GC 80-1
Sandor & GC 200-1
SAF & GC 40-1
Cpt Guinness & CC 250-1
Edward & CC 100-1
El Fab & CC 7/2
Jonbon & CC 20-1
Argento & Sup 100-1; Gall 100-1
Bill Joyce & Sup 250-1; Gall 250-1
C’est ta & Sup 66-1; Gall 100-1
Cantico & Sup 66-1; Gall 66-1
Jalon & Sup 66-1; Gall 66-1
Jasmin & Sup 40-1; Gall 40-1
Quebec & Sup 150-1; Gall 150-1
Romeo & Sup 80-1; Gall 80-1
Sixmilebridge & Sup 150-1; Gall 150-1
Teeshan & Sup 80-1; Gall 80-1
TYC & Sup 80-1; Gall 80-1
YOK & Sup 100-1; Gall 100-1

 

[Eggs]

….Hills Thursday;

FV & Ry 20-1
Ginny’s & Ry 33-1
Grey Dawning & Ry 16-1; GC 50-1
Iroko & Ry 66-1
Banbridge & Ry 40-1
Capadanno & Ry 150-1
Conflated & Ry 125-1
Envoi & Ry 25-1
Fil D’or & Ry 150-1
Protek & Ry 100-1
Stage Star & Ry 66-1
Crambo & Stay 50-1
Sir G & Stay 100-1
Teahupoo & Stay 14-1
BDA & MH 12-1; MC 20-1
Jade & MH 20-1; MC 33-1
Dysart & MH 40-1; MC 66-1

 

[Eggs]

….Hills Fri;

Majborough & CH 150-1; Ark 40-1; Turn 40-1
Salvator & Ark 66-1; Turn 66-1
Gino & CH 33-1; Ark 14-1; Turn 16-1
Capt Teague & BANC 66-1; Turn 66-1
Dancing City & BANC 66-1; Turn 66-1
Gidleigh & BANC 50-1; Turn 50-1
High Class H & BANC 50-1; Turn 50-1
Johnnywho & BANC 100-1; Turn 100-1
Lecky & BANC 100-1; Turn 100-1
ReadinTommy & BANC 33-1; Turn 33-1
Shanagh & BANC 100-1; Turn 100-1
BMG & GC 125-1
Corach & GC 200-1
Fastorslow & GC 33-1
GDC & GC 6-1
GMG & GC 150-1
Gerri & GC 66-1
L’Homme & GC 125-1
Ferns & Hunters 14-1
it’s on the Line & Hunt 14-1
Dinoblue & MC 6-1
ADV & MC 66-1
Limerick & MC 25-1
Quai de Bour & BANC 40-1; Turn 40-1

 

[Eggs]

….PP

Ile est Francais; KG/GC 16-1 (10-1 Sky).

(note; IEF is available @ a best price 10-1 for GC).

 

[Craigy14]

….PP

Ile est Francais; KG/GC 16-1 (10-1 Sky).

(note; IEF is available @ a best price 10-1 for GC).

I like that as cover for him (appreciate he was 16/1 GC at some point). It is risky though as we know he’s running twice more this season with his big season target in May.

I think it may be best to hold off until he’s had his prep run or even the French Gold Cup. Whether the traders would be aware of those runs and take the selection down is another matter. He loses the latter race, depending on the manner of defeat, I doubt too many would fancy him for those 2 races.

 

[Lobos]

Agree Craigy. They may be slow to react. Certainly have been in the past where races overseas are concerned. He is very high profile now though so it'll be a gamble holding off.

 

[Eggs]

I like that as cover for him (appreciate he was 16/1 GC at some point). It is risky though as we know he’s running twice more this season with his big season target in May.

I think it may be best to hold off until he’s had his prep run or even the French Gold Cup. Whether the traders would be aware of those runs and take the selection down is another matter. He loses the latter race, depending on the manner of defeat, I doubt too many would fancy him for those 2 races.

….PP

Ile est Francais KG/GC 12-1 (from 16-1)

 

[Craigy14]

….PP

Ile est Francais KG/GC 12-1 (from 16-1)

:biggrin-new::biggrin-new::biggrin-new:

Looks like others thought the same as me then.

 

[FinalFurlong91]

I thought he looked like a 2m4f horse in the kauto star

3m6f is gonna be an interesting one

If he's odds on that lay/place lay button will be hard to resist

 

[Benjy23]

I thought he looked like a 2m4f horse in the kauto star

3m6f is gonna be an interesting one

If he's odds on that lay/place lay button will be hard to resist

Why he be going 3m 6f? Gold Cup is 3m 2f :numbness:

(and a half to be exact, I think they claim)

 

[FinalFurlong91]

Why he be going 3m 6f? Gold Cup is 3m 2f :numbness:

(and a half to be exact, I think they claim)

The grand stipe his next race is over 3m6f

Which I'd have big doubts about him winning which makes backing him right now not something I'd personally consider

 

[Lobos]

The grand stipe his next race is over 3m6f

Which I'd have big doubts about him winning which makes backing him right now not something I'd personally consider

Certainly a proper slog over that distance in Heavy ground. Has a horse ever won both that race and the Cheltenham Gold Cup? Or even attempted it ?

Here you go....

The Fellow (1985–2008) was an AQPS top-class National Hunt racehorse in the early 1990s. He won the 1994 Cheltenham Gold Cup and narrowly lost the 1991 and 1992 renewals. He also won the 1991 and 1992 King George VI Chase and the 1991 Grand Steeple-Chase de Paris. Along with Mandarin, he is one of only two horses to win both the latter race and the Gold Cup.

 

[Saxon Warrior]

Why he be going 3m 6f? Gold Cup is 3m 2f :numbness:

(and a half to be exact, I think they claim)

Because the Grand Steeplechase Paris in France, is the equivalent of the Cheltenham Gold Cup.

Its the pinnacle Chase in the country, the most sought after NH race, and worth similar to the Cheltenham Gold Cup.

The horse was bred in France by an owner/breeder who has never won the Grand Steeplechase and dearly wants to.

So he only sold a half-share to a British owner on the basis that all roads lead to the Grand Steeplechase this season.

That race has been won a 5yo and 6yo the last two years, which is younger than horses in GB/IRE win the Cheltenham Gold Cup.

So Ile Est Francais being a 6yo and a relative novice (in our terms) is not unusual in the Grand Steeplechase

The agreement between the Co-owners is France for the biggest prize there at 6, and then GB for the two top prizes in the country next season.

I really hope the French owner/breeder gets the prize he most wants in May, and the excitement will then mount for Kempton at Christmas, then Cheltenham in March.

 

[Benjy23]

Right, I think the bet posted was a King George and Gold Cup double though? So the comment kind of threw me on lack of context :beguiled:​​​​​

I think the point was probably if he's beaten before than the 12s wouldn't look great value?

 

[Eggs]

…Lads;

Ballyburn BANC/GC 33-1

 

[CJW]

…Lads;

Ballyburn BANC/GC 33-1

Looks a trap to me. Poor odds unless your a romantic and just want the bet now.

 

[Saxon Warrior]

Right, I think the bet posted was a King George and Gold Cup double though? So the comment kind of threw me on lack of context :beguiled:​​​​​

I think the point was probably if he's beaten before than the 12s wouldn't look great value?

I picked up on your short comment on why would he be going 3M6F - so my answer was - it’s because the biggest Chase in France is 3M6F

I didn’t notice if your comment linked back to the KG/Gold Cup price - apologies :encouragement:

But in that context, those KG/G.Cup prices are pretty pointless when he’s 10s for the Gold Cup