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The Oaks 2020

This might be the English Oaks thread, but for the Irish Oaks, Cheyenne Pepper ran a lovely trial yesterday. Awaiting prices for her, doubt she'll a good price.
 
The full list of Oaks entries:

Bharani Star (Peter Chapple-Hyam)
Dubai Love (Saeed Bin Suroor)
Ennistymon (Aidan O'Brien)
Frankly Darling (John Gosden)
Gold Wand (Roger Varian)
Love (Aidan O'Brien)
Oriental Mystique (David Simcock)
Passion (Aidan O'Brien)
Peaceful (Aidan O'Brien)
Queen Daenerys (Roger Varian)
Tiempo Vuela (John Gosden)
 
Jessica Harrington's super-battalion of fillies are noticeable by their absence.

Odds-on now to blow her chances of winning an English or Irish Classic with them now she has ducked Epsom, and made it a Frankly Darling vs AOB battle. :highly_amused:
 
Saxon Warrior said:
Jessica Harrington's super-battalion of fillies are noticeable by their absence.

Odds-on now to blow her chances of winning an English or Irish Classic with them now she has ducked Epsom, and made it a Frankly Darling vs AOB battle. :highly_amused:
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...she has Gold Maze entered for the Derby. Surely she can’t!!
 
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charlie said:
The full list of Oaks entries:

Bharani Star (Peter Chapple-Hyam)
Dubai Love (Saeed Bin Suroor)
Ennistymon (Aidan O'Brien)
Frankly Darling (John Gosden)
Gold Wand (Roger Varian)
Love (Aidan O'Brien)
Oriental Mystique (David Simcock)
Passion (Aidan O'Brien)
Peaceful (Aidan O'Brien)
Queen Daenerys (Roger Varian)
Tiempo Vuela (John Gosden)
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Who ran the stats on when Aidan O'Brien only sends one to a race?

Is his record better if that's limited to fillies?
Is his record better if that's limited to classics?
Is his record better if that's limited to the Guineas?
Is his record better if that's limited to the Oaks?
 
I haven't backed anything and probably won't get involved.

Just a couple of thoughts.

I think Love ideally wants really quick ground. If the rain stays away she wins and 6/4 looks really good but if it doesn't it might be a different story.

I don't think the Ribblesdale was a proper test of stamina. Both the first two might be better at 1m2f.

Having said I wouldn't I have had a little each way on Gold Wand at 25/1. I don't think she can beat the favourite unless it rains but fingers crossed it does.
 
Judging by her action, I think Love will be in big trouble if the rain arrives.

Frankly Darling to beat the AOB battalion for me
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Judging by her action, I think Love will be in big trouble if the rain arrives.

Frankly Darling to beat the AOB battalion for me
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Hope you are right FM, have her at 40's, thanks to someone on here (apologies, can't remember who put her up pre Newcastle run).
 
Wow! Well done on those Frankly Darling prices. I'm happy with my 1pt at 3s!!
 
All credit to Ben Linfoot - he wrote this last December as his best raing bet for 2020!! Some shout

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Suggesting a bet on the 2020 Flat season at Christmas isn’t easy, as there are only about five races to bet on and this year’s two-year-old monster, Pinatubo, is a relatively short-priced favourite for two of them.
So I make no apologies, just excuses, for targeting the Investec Oaks again with the long-range festive cash.
It’s a race I like to bet on in advance because you might just pick out a 4/1 favourite at 50s with a bit of foresight and a lot of luck and that’s certainly the aim this year with FRANKLY DARLING the suggestion.
This daughter of Frankel (how did you guess?) has only raced the once and she was beaten, but she shaped very well on heavy ground at Yarmouth when travelling the best before going down only to Roger Varian’s Cabaletta over a mile.
Trained by John Gosden and owned by Anthony Oppenheimer, she’s with the right connections for a Classic tilt and it’s interesting they chose that Yarmouth novice stakes for her debut.
In 2018 the same Yarmouth novice split into two divisions. Oppenheimer’s Frankellina (the daughter of Our Obsession, a half-sister to Frankly Darling) won one of them, and Gosden’s Mehdaayih won the other.
Both these daughters of Frankel enhanced their Oaks chances at trials in the spring, something I hope Frankly Darling will do, before finishing sixth and seventh at Epsom as another Gosden-trained daughter of Frankel, Anapurna, landed the Classic.
Frankly Darling is bred to be good and bred for a trip, and while Oppenheimer’s Star Catcher, trained by Gosden, took the Ribblesdale route last season, that was probably because her owner had Frankellina and her trainer had several other Oaks options.
A 50s, she’s worth a speculative poke.
Ben Linfoot
 
I remember reading that at the time. I've just spent 20 minutes checking all my account history in case I backed it. I haven't:sorrow:
 
Peaceful heads for the Prix De Diane with O'Brien moaning about the Epsom prize money. It must be so hard for millionaires these days. Didn't he realise what the prize money was when he made the declaration?

Effectively, he has just landed those punters who have bet since declarations a 15p deduction. Thanks very much Aidan.
 
Entries not declarations and he's not moaning. Just saying that it's pointless taking her to Epsom when he's got Love for that.
 
archie said:
Entries not declarations and he's not moaning. Just saying that it's pointless taking her to Epsom when he's got Love for that.
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Sorry, that isn't true, he is moaning about prize money. Apologies, I thought those were the final declarations but whether they were entries or declarations the same comment applies. He knew the value of the race when he made the entry.
 
I've added Bharani Star at 66/1 E/W.

Not for one second am I seeing this one as the likely winner but wasn't a million miles away from Frankly Darling and a couple of others in this at RA. Hoping they ride for a place, and could represent some value, though you'd expect it to be just the one place up for grabs, which could make it extra difficult!
 
kinloch brae said:
Sorry, that isn't true, he is moaning about prize money. Apologies, I thought those were the final declarations but whether they were entries or declarations the same comment applies. He knew the value of the race when he made the entry.
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You appear to be making the rookie error of relying on the RP sub-editor's headline. Of course he knew the relative value of the races but anyone who feels robbed because an entry doesn't take up an engagement should reflect on their betting strategy. AOB is simply trying to maximise his return from the two races and that's his job.
 
archie said:
You appear to be making the rookie error of relying on the RP sub-editor's headline. Of course he knew the relative value of the races but anyone who feels robbed because an entry doesn't take up an engagement should reflect on their betting strategy. AOB is simply trying to maximise his return from the two races and that's his job.
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It was a notable double-entry for both The Epsom Oaks and Prix Diane made on the same day, unlike his other Epsom Oaks entries, who had sole engagements.
Probably given Mrs Harrington the hump by running against Alpine Star now (who strangely only had the Prix Diane entry). :highly_amused:
 
I’m very close to having a decent bet at 9/4 on Frankly Darling here. I just think she’s a superstar in waiting.

And whilst that’s only a gut feeling based on the two starts this season, I think the favourite is definitely beatable and is making the price of FD look really tempting.

If Love didn’t run for whatever reason, what price would FD be? 13/8 I would hazard a guess at. Not that there’s any reason Love won’t run but I’m just thinking she’s definitely one I want to take on with a potential superstar.
 
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