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Supreme Novices Hurdle 2020

archie said:
The trainer's nature is to wait until he thinks a horse is ready to run. Previous racecourse experience, flat or jumps/Ireland, France or UK, is a help in making that decision but he will absolutely not run a horse early unless he thinks that it's ready to roll.
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Agreed Archie, my thought was that if any novice hurdler at Willies wasn’t ready to run by Christmas, and had little or no experience before joining him, that Cheltenham may not be the main plan for them this year and maybe Aintree, Fairyhouse or Punchestown in April/May could come more into his plans for those ones.
 
Hamptonfox said:
Agreed Archie, my thought was that if any novice hurdler at Willies wasn’t ready to run by Christmas, and had little or no experience before joining him, that Cheltenham may not be the main plan for them this year and maybe Aintree, Fairyhouse or Punchestown in April/May could come more into his plans for those ones.
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or wait another year.
 
quevega said:
Hopefully for those that've backed him.
But his price has not really moved.
So it Don't seem like it.
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Boredom must have kicked in, no guarantees that fly smart is THE ONE as theres more than a dozen waiting. But I guarantee hes not played anywhere near his hand yet.


Factually i was backing klassical dream at 55.0 days AFTER his run at christmas. And he was still 33/1 general price with the books afterwards. He was still 25s before the DRF. And 14/1 after it
 
Scooby91 said:
Boredom must have kicked in, no guarantees that fly smart is THE ONE as theres more than a dozen waiting. But I guarantee hes not played anywhere near his hand yet.


Factually i was backing klassical dream at 55.0 days AFTER his run at christmas. And he was still 33/1 general price with the books afterwards. He was still 25s before the DRF. And 14/1 after it
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Yep - cos people were still expecting the/or A nother Ricci horse to come out and be better
 
We did the same with the mares novices.
Can't wait forever.
He may have already ran his best horse for the supreme.
Although I'd agree, it's early days yet and unlikely we have, but would want to see them over Christmas ideally.
Then they gotta do the business on the track.
 
Just reading the last few pages has reinforced my thoughts that Gordon will completely dominate the 3 championship Novice races at Cheltenham. Willie has been very quiet with his young uns on and off the track
 
Would the Deloitte being run over 2 miles now instead of 2 miles 2 have any bearing in his thought process now as a prep for the supreme? Not much of a change in distance but perhaps enough to start later at Christmas then onto the DRF as opposed to early December - Moscow flyer route.
 
Lobos said:
Just reading the last few pages has reinforced my thoughts that Gordon will completely dominate the 3 championship Novice races at Cheltenham. Willie has been very quiet with his young uns on and off the track
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If that conversation has reinforced anything I'd be shocked and surprised.
It's hardly been groundbreaking.
But I'm glad to have played a small part in you cementing a view.

As Jack has quite rightly chided :encouragement::highly_amused:
Could feel myself being sucked in, sat in the dark watching average racing and Find it, Fix it, Flog it.

Nothing better to do than talk bollocks (mostly)
 
A quick glance through sporting life tells me there's at least 13 Maiden hurdles in Ireland.
between the 26th and 29th of Dec alone . surely plenty of time for any entries yet ??.
 
quevega said:
We did the same with the mares novices.
Can't wait forever.
He may have already ran his best horse for the supreme.
Although I'd agree, it's early days yet and unlikely we have, but would want to see them over Christmas ideally.
Then they gotta do the business on the track.
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They're not just stood in their box, they've ran schooling hurdles and bumpers at the curragh. Which is now just starting to filter through to the racecourse, There's the first 3 entered up that was at the curragh. 2 in bumpers. 1 over hurdles.
 
Just welled up cos Bob Willis has died.
How weird is that.
He was a proper grumpy twat.
 
Any of these yet to debut this season may have to be better than EA.

Question - how many horses in the last ten years have won the Supreme (or Ballymore) with two or less career runs (anywhere, incl flat, NHF, French hurdles etc)?

Question - how many horses in the last ten years have won the Supreme or Ballymore with three or less career runs (anywhere incl flat, NHF, French hurdles etc)?
 
Scooby91 said:
They're not just stood in their box, they've ran schooling hurdles and bumpers at the curragh. Which is now just starting to filter through to the racecourse, There's the first 3 entered up that was at the curragh. 2 in bumpers. 1 over hurdles.
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Saint roi and two of the three in the bumper Saturday?
 
I believe that there are more schooling races at Thurles tomorrow for anyone who is local and got a couple of hours free.
 
Hamptonfox said:
Any of these yet to debut this season may have to be better than EA.

Question - how many horses in the last ten years have won the Supreme (or Ballymore) with two or less career runs (anywhere, incl flat, NHF, French hurdles etc)?

Question - how many horses in the last ten years have won the Supreme or Ballymore with three or less career runs (anywhere incl flat, NHF, French hurdles etc)?
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If your one who thinks EA runs in the supreme.


Fly smart for one has already ran twice. As has a horse of JPs that runs tomorrow. They've all ran in france beforehand, in schooling hurdles, and been jumping since 2 at home. I don't see the issue myself. Theres is loads of time to get another 2 runs in.

I'm not sure why its suddenly become a thing, theres unbelievable recency bias throughout the threads .
And if anyone is backing in the novices, like what they see there now will be the final fields. They're in a world of trouble.
 
Do you know if Fly Smart has run recently in a schooling hurdle please Scooby
 
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