Supreme/Ballymore/Albert Bartlett - Novice Hurdles 2021

[Curly]

20/1 has gone for appreciate it for the AB

 

[Lobos]

Two bets for me.

Supreme- FERNY HOLLOW 14/1. This is a serious horse when it all clicks. Bumper rating is top notch. Good high cruising speed, deadly acceleration and stays-well- perfect for a supreme. He’s Ground versatile and trained by the right man. Only concerns are he can be a bit of fruit loop and race keenly, but I’m sure Mullins will have a pace maker for him. Also could meet some trouble with hold up tactics.


Ballymore- BOB OLINGER 33/1. Visually looked great in his bumper and P2P. Well breed and with one of the best and most underrated trainer. Problem if this horse is guessing his target.

Not sure where Bob Ollinger will end up but I'm with you on Ferny Hollow. Clearly Appreciate It was the Mullins number 1 horse in the Bumper and he was backed as if defeat was out of the question but Ferny blew him away up the run in and made him look slow. Not many horses come from that far back in a truly run race travelling as well as he did and win going away after meeting traffic on the way. I think it was a very good renewal of the Bumper and we could see a fair few winners come out of it. Ferny looks a proper Mullins Supreme horse to me and that's where I think he'll end up . That said, I got on early in the TWAR market so have him covered should he step up in trip.

 

[Lobos]

Not had a good look at the Ballymore until tonight. As I've said before I've been sticking to TWAR for the Novices but one that stands out at the odds for me is Captain Kangaroo at 40/1. He won one of the last Bumper races before shutdown and was relatively unfancied for a Mullins horse . Jockey bookings would also suggest he was not expected to win as Patrick rode the more fancied second. That said he travelled well throughout and stayed on really well to win going away at the post. The race had some depth to it also as some of the beaten horses were well thought of. You would expect the Ballymore to suit this one or possibly the Albert as staying looks his game. He does look to have some class about him as well so 40/1 Ballymore or Albert seems very generous to me for an unexposed Mullins Novice. If you like TWAR like me he is 25/1.

 

[archie]

If you like TWAR like me he is 25/1.

TWAR definitely the way to go.

 

[The King Pimm]

Does anyone know who is currently training Soft Light? He’s appeared in the top 3 of the Supreme betting but still registered with JC Rouget. I’m guessing he at one of the big 3 yards now??

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Does anyone know who is currently training Soft Light? He’s appeared in the top 3 of the Supreme betting but still registered with JC Rouget. I’m guessing he at one of the big 3 yards now??

I guess someone has had this one requested. 20/1 though, bit tight.

I'd be looking for him over further, Ballymore or even the Bartlett, given the way he's run on the flat over middle/staying distances.

Unsure who he has gone to though.

 

[Lobos]

Does anyone know who is currently training Soft Light? He’s appeared in the top 3 of the Supreme betting but still registered with JC Rouget. I’m guessing he at one of the big 3 yards now??

What??!! Did he not run in the Arc De Triomphe ??!!

 

[Curly]

Not had a good look at the Ballymore until tonight. As I've said before I've been sticking to TWAR for the Novices but one that stands out at the odds for me is Captain Kangaroo at 40/1. He won one of the last Bumper races before shutdown and was relatively unfancied for a Mullins horse . Jockey bookings would also suggest he was not expected to win as Patrick rode the more fancied second. That said he travelled well throughout and stayed on really well to win going away at the post. The race had some depth to it also as some of the beaten horses were well thought of. You would expect the Ballymore to suit this one or possibly the Albert as staying looks his game. He does look to have some class about him as well so 40/1 Ballymore or Albert seems very generous to me for an unexposed Mullins Novice. If you like TWAR like me he is 25/1.

Can captain kangaroo run in next years Cheltenham bumper? It’s been priced up by WH

 

[Lobos]

Can captain kangaroo run in next years Cheltenham bumper? It’s been priced up by WH

Certainly can.

 

[Eggs]

Can captain kangaroo run in next years Cheltenham bumper? It’s been priced up by WH

....33-1 with Hills, it’s actually a Sky RaB but incorrectly included in the NH RaB list @ 40-1. I think Archie is involved in the horse.

 

[archie]

....33-1 with Hills, it’s actually a Sky RaB but incorrectly included in the NH RaB list @ 40-1. I think Archie is involved in the horse.

As said elsewhere, TWAR definitely the way to go this far out.

 

[Eggs]

As said elsewhere, TWAR definitely the way to go this far out.

....yep, I got onboard a while ago. Let’s hope his potential is realised.

 

[DeeBee]

Further nibbling at Ferny Hollow for the Supreme.. only 365 going bigger than 10s

Can anyone see him in Ballymore? My thinking is he has more speed for the Supreme and Chevely have Ballyadam for the Ballymore as does Mullins with Appreciate it.. at least that’s how I’m hoping it pans out

 

[Kevloaf]

Further nibbling at Ferny Hollow for the Supreme.. only 365 going bigger than 10s

Can anyone see him in Ballymore? My thinking is he has more speed for the Supreme and Chevely have Ballyadam for the Ballymore as does Mullins with Appreciate it.. at least that’s how I’m hoping it pans out

He has a turn of foot, so it's not unfeasible he's a Ballymore horse. Especially when we get into the season and the pack has been shuffled and starts to sort itself.


Bumper winners are hard to pigeon-hole, as some are stayers, some are quick, some flop and some have had cracking careers.

I expect he's been cut so short because he's been the best backed, but that'll be because more people that don't usually back may have been backing (due to lack of racing until recently) and those types of people are more likely to be backing the horses they recognise.


I may not have explained that well but I'm almost 6 hours into drinking now as I watch the Royal Rumble from 1998 so it's a miracle I can type anything at all. :applause:

 

[DeeBee]

He has a turn of foot, so it's not unfeasible he's a Ballymore horse. Especially when we get into the season and the pack has been shuffled and starts to sort itself.


Bumper winners are hard to pigeon-hole, as some are stayers, some are quick, some flop and some have had cracking careers.

I expect he's been cut so short because he's been the best backed, but that'll be because more people that don't usually back may have been backing (due to lack of racing until recently) and those types of people are more likely to be backing the horses they recognise.


I may not have explained that well but I'm almost 6 hours into drinking now as I watch the Royal Rumble from 1998 so it's a miracle I can type anything at all. :applause:

Haha no you knocked the nail on the head and that was my thinking as well.. that it’s more household names so to speak which are attracting any sort of attention combined with the lack of betting in general

To be honest I probably fit into that catchment myself at the minute... I don’t normally have anything AP until about November.. hopefully some are alive still by then

I can’t recall too much on the 1998 rumble.. from memory that’s probably somewhere between the classics of hulk hogan, ultimate warrior etc and the attitude era coming into full force. Gotta be round about whEn DX came onto the scene though

 

[Big Bucks]

Don't think it will be as big as the Envoi Allen saga, but will be a debate to some extent on where Ferny will end up. Market at minute suggests Supreme, and leaning there myself, but i wouldn't be that confident this far out!

Haha didn't think I would see a Royal Rumble match mentioned on here! Was well into the wrestling 90s and 00s, especially the attitude era. Had to Google the year, but was a classic, and a funny moment with Mick Foley entering the rumble with 3 of his gimmicks!

 

[Kevloaf]

I can’t recall too much on the 1998 rumble.. from memory that’s probably somewhere between the classics of hulk hogan, ultimate warrior etc and the attitude era coming into full force. Gotta be round about whEn DX came onto the scene though

Yeah, it's between those two, Bret Hart would have been one of the biggest starts up to 1997... it was "The Kliq" before DX. The Kliq was a backstage group in the World Wrestling Federation during the mid-1990s, composed of Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels, Triple H and X–Pac.

The first two left for WCW and DX was born not too long after

Haha didn't think I would see a Royal Rumble match mentioned on here! Was well into the wrestling 90s and 00s, especially the attitude era. Had to Google the year, but was a classic, and a funny moment with Mick Foley entering the rumble with 3 of his gimmicks!

Yeah same time I was in to it (as a kid, obviously) so it's nostalgic watching it back. My wife and I, got "back into it" as on our Honeymoon in USA, it was just 'on' and I caught her watching it, and we realised we both used to watch it and she was bang in to it, and now we watch it every week :highly_amused:

Definitely our guilty pleasure, and it is genuinly the only thing I watch on TV that isn't sport, bar the odd film and Eurovision.




This post will definitely lose me some credibility on here. :concern: :highly_amused:

 

[DeeBee]

Maybe we need an old school WWF thread

Haha absolute winner that your missus is a fan.. please tell me you’ve practiced a finishing move or 2 on her Kev!

 

[ComplyOrDie]

What are everyones thoughts on Berkshire Royal chaps? I have quite a few question marks, but certainly interested in hearing other members' thoughts on him.

Second guessing WPM is obviously nigh on impossible, but he remains a novice, and obviously chucked in the Supreme with absolutely no prior hurdling race experience, and ran like it too.

Come from the flat, should we be expecting another Penhill job? Albert Bartlett? His flat racing profile puts him not far off Penhill in that respect. But hurdling is a whole different game altogether.

Am I only considering him because he is with WPM? Is that enough in itself?

I've had a friend request a price for the AB, with cash out, would be expecting 50's+ but may be tempted by 40's also.

 

[Kevloaf]

What are everyones thoughts on Berkshire Royal chaps? I have quite a few question marks, but certainly interested in hearing other members' thoughts on him.

Second guessing WPM is obviously nigh on impossible, but he remains a novice, and obviously chucked in the Supreme with absolutely no prior hurdling race experience, and ran like it too.

Come from the flat, should we be expecting another Penhill job? Albert Bartlett? His flat racing profile puts him not far off Penhill in that respect. But hurdling is a whole different game altogether.

Am I only considering him because he is with WPM? Is that enough in itself?

I've had a friend request a price for the AB, with cash out, would be expecting 50's+ but may be tempted by 40's also.

He was available at 100/1 on the day of the race despite being trained by Willie Mullins, which is enough for me to assume he no where near up to winning a festival race in his life time.

From memory, the owners have a link to the jockey that rode and that's the only reason he turned up, without a realistic chance.

Even at 50/1, I couldn't get excited... I just think he is miles down the pecking order