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Stayers Hurdle 2019

Stayers Hurdle 2019

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Hurricane fly said:
Wasn’t it supposed to be the Ascott Gold Cup last year?
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Can't find anything to back that up, would make sense though... unless they're thinking Melbourne Cup?!
 
I remember the Ascot gold cup being mentioned last year for Penhill , but i thought he got an injury and was then even doubtful
for the festival.
 
BigChaang said:
I remember the Ascot gold cup being mentioned last year for Penhill , but i thought he got an injury and was then even doubtful
for the festival.
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It isn't ideal - however running in an Ascot Gold Cup I won't see as a negative... I always used to wonder how Big Bucks would get on in it... probably get beaten by "the flat spot".
 
Does'nt have an entry in the Gold cup though , ??.
 
While Mullins may have ticked a lot of boxes off on his glittering CV, there are still several he would like to achieve across both codes of the sport.

He said: "I would like to win the Cheltenham Gold Cup, while I would also like to win an Ascot Gold Cup and a Melbourne Cup.

"They are all races I'd like to think we have a chance of winning, as we have got the horses to do it.

"They are reasonable targets that we might hopefully get to achieve."
 
Scooby91 said:
While Mullins may have ticked a lot of boxes off on his glittering CV, there are still several he would like to achieve across both codes of the sport.

He said: "I would like to win the Cheltenham Gold Cup, while I would also like to win an Ascot Gold Cup and a Melbourne Cup.

"They are all races I'd like to think we have a chance of winning, as we have got the horses to do it.

"They are reasonable targets that we might hopefully get to achieve."
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When was that from?

I'd prefer he didn't have a flat campaign with Penhill HOWEVER, of all the code switching that is possible, a stayer on the flat and the weakest of any division in terms of overall quality (staying hurdlers) is something that wouldn't stop me fancying Penhill
 
Kevloaf said:
When was that from?

I'd prefer he didn't have a flat campaign with Penhill HOWEVER, of all the code switching that is possible, a stayer on the flat and the weakest of any division in terms of overall quality (staying hurdlers) is something that wouldn't stop me fancying Penhill
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Was an article about mullins 3000th winner and what his ambitions were next. On Irish racing site
 
Scooby91 said:
Was an article about mullins 3000th winner and what his ambitions were next. On Irish racing site
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Cheers I'll have a look.

I see Bloom/Mullins have the fav now for the staying race at Royal Ascot tomorrow.... I can't ever remember seeing him run. I must have done, but surprising favourite!
 
Going to give a little shout for Sam Spinner here, I know he was a little disappointing at Cheltenham and then Aintree when being a beaten favourite, but the Cheltenham festival has been the only time he’s finished not placed. He’s only 6 so I can see him improving and Jedd O K confirmed he would be staying over hurdles for as long as possible. With a firm target and consistent record I think the 33/1 with William Hill then boosted to 36-37/1 is a great EW price. A good opening race next season and I can see that price tumbling down.

I feel last years stayers hurdle favourite is being underestimated at that price! and must have a least a chance at a place !

Think I’ve talked myself into covering
 
I don’t disagree Will Dunn but I just can’t have the trainer.
Under 20 Chelt runners in 18 or so years of training suggests his operation isn’t geared towards the big one and that he possibly doesn’t have what’s needed to train a festival winner.
That may sound harsh and I’m happy be proved wrong because I like the horse, but he looks better suited to a Donny/Aintree coup than a champs race at Chelt for me
 
Also, Penhill won well this year and now Bloomy has other/better options for his famed Melbourne Cup bid the biggest reason not to back him to follow up appears to be a non issue.
Best staying hurdler in training last year and available at 9/1 (or thereabouts) to follow up seems generous to me...
 
Istabraq said:
Also, Penhill won well this year and now Bloomy has other/better options for his famed Melbourne Cup bid the biggest reason not to back him to follow up appears to be a non issue.
Best staying hurdler in training last year and available at 9/1 (or thereabouts) to follow up seems generous to me...
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It's a superb price. Still.

I know this isn't always relevant, but look at the price of the market leaders in the other championship races...

Might Bite 13/2
Presenting Percy 6/1
Native River 8/1

Buveur D'air - 7/2
Melon 8/1

Altior 7/4
Footpad - 9/2


Defending champions are 8/1, 7/2 and 7/4 so Penhill is the biggest price of all the defending champions. (You can argue Native River is a decent price at 8/1 too)

He's a bigger price than Footpad and Presenting Percy, who have both got to go in to open company and prove they're good enough, whereas Penhill has been there and done it. He's also a bigger price than Might Bite, who's clearly a classy horse with a good chance but he still got beaten and is a shorter price.

He's a bigger price than Melon.... so Melon, who came 2nd in the Champion Hurdle and still has to reverse that form, is a bigger price than Penhill?! I'd love to see a case for somebody to back Melon at 8/1 instead of Penhill at 9/1.



It'd be ignorant to ignore the fact Faugheen beat him 13L at Punchestown (which is why I imagine the price is there).... but Faugheen isn't an ante post prospect at 5/1 for any race - his form was in and out, he's had loads of issues and despite there be no arguement in my mind that Faugheen is a better horse than Penhill, Penhill will be 8 next season, and Faugheen will be 11. If Faugheen makes it to Cheltenham and hacks up again, then fair enough, I dare say I'd be backing him on the day of the race and cheering him on by the time we get to it, but we won't get to it... and for ante-post punters, the 9/1 for Penhill is outstanding compared to the rest of the markets in my opinion.
 
I agree with the 9/1 being value Kev.

I couldn’t back Faugheen but my heart would love to see him win his prep race over this trip before turning up at 11/10 at his beloved Cheltenham over a trip he won’t be outpaced over at his age.

As a horse racing fan, I would just love to be there to see the great Faugheen get punted off the boards and the roar go up one more time as The Machine takes three lengths out of the field. Just imagine that...
 
Rewatch last years race and follow Bacardys - very poor ride going all the way across the track then all they way back to the inside but was still closing big time when he fell and with a better ride undoubtedly the winner.
Risk they try chasing again but 25s would be huge if he turned up in this on the same form.
 
The Don said:
Rewatch last years race and follow Bacardys - very poor ride going all the way across the track then all they way back to the inside but was still closing big time when he fell and with a better ride undoubtedly the winner.
Risk they try chasing again but 25s would be huge if he turned up in this on the same form.
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I’ll take a look when I’m back home Don.
I always dismissed that generation (rightly or wrongly) as a poor bumper crop then the novice hurdle ranks.
Hitting the deck 3 times in his young career is a habit not a blip but Mullins has had plenty of similar types and ironed out their issues so maybe he is one to consider....
 
I was on Bacardys but didn't see it as a poor ride. It was a slowly run race, when everyone was anticipating Sam Spinner setting a proper gallop, and it didn't suit number of horses in the race but I wouldn't attach any blame to Patrick.
 
Bacardys comes on and off the bit like a yoyo. Patrick is the only one to get any kind of tune out of him.
 
Really? It was a horror I thought, was in behind and fluffed the 2nd last and was bumped along moved 7 horses wide around the turn behind a wall of horses then yanks him back inside when travelling like a dream all the way back to the inside..... covered an extra 25 yards at least. If hed just waited down the inside would have been a clear run and I think he would have won
 
Really. Have a look back at the 2017 Deloitte.
 
I was on Bacardys that day as well (along with Supasundae) and though. He was going very well at the end of the race and he absolutely does all his best work at the finish i'm not certain he would have beaten either Penhill or Supasundae. Though I do think he would have been nailed on for 3rd though at least.

archie said:
Bacardys comes on and off the bit like a yoyo. Patrick is the only one to get any kind of tune out of him.
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I'd 100% agree with this. His record with Patrick onboard reads 11311F0. The fall was at Cheltenham when going well and looking like he'd at least place. I don't think there are too many excuses to give at Punchestown though he was along with La Bague Au Roi the only horses to really keep tabs with Faugheen and the pace he was setting up front which may well have contributed to his tame finish (LBAR also finished well beaten in 7th albeit way ahead of Bacardys) Even so one bad run from 7 and 4 wins (2 grade 1s) is very good. His record on Walsh and Townend reads 3FP3F. I would actually say it's credit to Patrick for getting hime in that position and other jockeys may not have been able to do so.

If connections did keep to hurdles with him he would be of some interest but I fully expect him to go chasing again. Without going too far off topic...

At the time Mullins was clear they only reverted back to hurdles to keep his novice status over fences for next season. The vibes coming out from the yard at the start of last season were actually really positive with Bacardys and how he was taking to fences so it was quite surprising how he fared in his 2 chase starts last season as you couldn't have got that same feeling when watching him back.

They may well have a few types for the race but Bacardys stands out by a mile for me in the 4 miler for next year (33/1), particularly as i'd agree with archie in that Patrick is the only one to really get a tune out of him. Although he didn't fare too well in those chase runs, I think they could work out to be a blessing in disguise. Rathvinden, Tiger Roll, Cause of Causes all had plenty of experience over fences before wining the race (either through an extra year over fences or running throughout the summer)

Patrick onboard, an extra year over fences, a clear stayer who does his best at the end of his races - an ideal type.
 
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