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Stayers Hurdle 2019

Stayers Hurdle 2019

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jono said:
I was on Bacardys that day as well (along with Supasundae) and though. He was going very well at the end of the race and he absolutely does all his best work at the finish i'm not certain he would have beaten either Penhill or Supasundae. Though I do think he would have been nailed on for 3rd though at least.

I'd 100% agree with this. His record with Patrick onboard reads 11311F0. The fall was at Cheltenham when going well and looking like he'd at least place. I don't think there are too many excuses to give at Punchestown though he was along with La Bague Au Roi the only horses to really keep tabs with Faugheen and the pace he was setting up front which may well have contributed to his tame finish (LBAR also finished well beaten in 7th albeit way ahead of Bacardys) Even so one bad run from 7 and 4 wins (2 grade 1s) is very good. His record on Walsh and Townend reads 3FP3F. I would actually say it's credit to Patrick for getting hime in that position and other jockeys may not have been able to do so.

If connections did keep to hurdles with him he would be of some interest but I fully expect him to go chasing again. Without going too far off topic...

At the time Mullins was clear they only reverted back to hurdles to keep his novice status over fences for next season. The vibes coming out from the yard at the start of last season were actually really positive with Bacardys and how he was taking to fences so it was quite surprising how he fared in his 2 chase starts last season as you couldn't have got that same feeling when watching him back.

They may well have a few types for the race but Bacardys stands out by a mile for me in the 4 miler for next year (33/1), particularly as i'd agree with archie in that Patrick is the only one to really get a tune out of him. Although he didn't fare too well in those chase runs, I think they could work out to be a blessing in disguise. Rathvinden, Tiger Roll, Cause of Causes all had plenty of experience over fences before wining the race (either through an extra year over fences or running throughout the summer)

Patrick onboard, an extra year over fences, a clear stayer who does his best at the end of his races - an ideal type.
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That’s a cracking shout at that price when you consider the odds he was for the RSA this time last year.
 
As said on a diff thread i can see Apples Jade coming here next year.I think they know where they went wrong with her last year (running over diff distences and running her to much.She clearely stays 3m and how often did you see Big Bucks,Inglis Drever,Baracouda running over trips to short and so often?I clearly think shes worth a punt for next year.
 
somer1 said:
As said on a diff thread i can see Apples Jade coming here next year.I think they know where they went wrong with her last year (running over diff distences and running her to much.She clearely stays 3m and how often did you see Big Bucks,Inglis Drever,Baracouda running over trips to short and so often?I clearly think shes worth a punt for next year.
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I'd have thought they'd take the easier option and go for the mares again because it certainly wasn't the trip that beat her at Cheltenham. It'll be interesting to see if Elliott can get her back her best this season.

I may be biased though having already backed her for the mares before Punches town :devilish:
 
somer1 said:
As said on a diff thread i can see Apples Jade coming here next year.I think they know where they went wrong with her last year (running over diff distences and running her to much.She clearely stays 3m and how often did you see Big Bucks,Inglis Drever,Baracouda running over trips to short and so often?I clearly think shes worth a punt for next year.
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I'm a massive fan of Apple's Jade, thought she was an absolute certainty in the Mares this year and also thought she would bounce back and beat BdD at Punchestown but I couldn't back her for any race right now :( I just don't think she was right in the Spring and I couldn't be confident Elliott can get her back to the form she was in pre Christmas time. (Though I don't necessarily agree with some that say she might be finished) and if that's the case I don't think she'll be winning at either trip. She just didn't look the same horse that we had got used to seeing and she certainly wouldn't have lost to the likes of Midnight Tour and Augusta Kate (no disrespect).

I think Rory Delarghy made the point at the time (or someone else definitely did) that if Elliott thought she was in anything like the form of her early season races then they would have surely ran her in the Champion Stayers Hurdle at Punchestown when the trainers title was still up for grabs. Instead they held her back for a race 2 days later in a race worth €100k less.

A watching brief for me until she shows her best form again and even then I would expect her to run in the mares myself.
 
Same as Jono for me - I can’t back her until I see some sort of revival back to what she was.

The Apples Jade of Cheltenham & Punchestown last season won’t win any race next year if she goes like she did on those two performances.
 
Beware Mares, they fall out of love with the game very quickly....
 
Istabraq said:
Beware Mares, they fall out of love with the game very quickly....
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Very true. I would hope at her age AJ still has more to give even if it's not winning grade 1 races but she's had a lot of tough races at such an early age.

Whatever people made of Mullins targeting of Quevega the above makes it all the more remarkable how he was able to get her back to the festival to win year after year
 
I've placed 28 multiples so far ante post... 12 of them have Penhill in :highly_amused:

42.86% :devilish:

Still the best value out there.......
 
Kevloaf said:
I've placed 28 multiples so far ante post... 12 of them have Penhill in :highly_amused:

42.86% :devilish:

Still the best value out there.......
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I’ve only got him in a couple (I’ve got about 10-20 multiples I’d say) because, whilst I agree his price is value, I have a worry about him as I think he’s a bit fragile.

He’s been targeted at Royal Ascot once or twice in his career already and has missed it so that’s a worry.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
I’ve only got him in a couple (I’ve got about 10-20 multiples I’d say) because, whilst I agree his price is value, I have a worry about him as I think he’s a bit fragile.

He’s been targeted at Royal Ascot once or twice in his career already and has missed it so that’s a worry.
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I'm pretty hopeful with the emergence of Stratum / Withhold that Bloom has enough to go to war with on the flat... and I believe the 'fragility' is one of the reasons he won't be aimed at the flat ever again.

He won without a prep at all last year too so even if he does not make it to the track, I have faith in Mullins he can get the job done.

My only worry is Faugheen, and I'll just take it on the chin if Faugheen is there on the day....I'll cheer him on and if I've got it wrong so be it!
 
Kevloaf said:
I'm pretty hopeful with the emergence of Stratum / Withhold that Bloom has enough to go to war with on the flat... and I believe the 'fragility' is one of the reasons he won't be aimed at the flat ever again.

He won without a prep at all last year too so even if he does not make it to the track, I have faith in Mullins he can get the job done.

My only worry is Faugheen, and I'll just take it on the chin if Faugheen is there on the day....I'll cheer him on and if I've got it wrong so be it!
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I love Faugheen. I would just love to see him fully fit and aimed at the Stayers.

Based on that Punchestown run, he’s a massive massive player over 3m hurdles next season if he keeps the injuries away.

Is there a racing fan on the planet that wouldn’t secretly love him to win if he led jumping the last next year up the famous hill.
 
Kevloaf said:
I've placed 28 multiples so far ante post... 12 of them have Penhill in :highly_amused:

42.86% :devilish:

Still the best value out there.......
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Raise you ....54 multi's , 21 with Penhill in !!!!!!!!!!,. I hope he runs :(:highly_amused:
 
As I done last season with other races, this one will be split between Penhill & Faugheen in a lot of bets, if either one, or better still, both turn up for it I don't see them being beat.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
As I done last season with other races, this one will be split between Penhill & Faugheen in a lot of bets, if either one, or better still, both turn up for it I don't see them being beat.
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Do you not feel Faugheen is a risky play CoD ?
I get the feeling he's one poor run/minor injury away from retirement, owes connections nothing and will be looked after....
 
Istabraq said:
Do you not feel Faugheen is a risky play CoD ?
I get the feeling he's one poor run/minor injury away from retirement, owes connections nothing and will be looked after....
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A fairly big risk, but the horse racing enthusiast crossed with the gambler in me can not let him turn up and run unbacked. He is probably the only horse I am happy to risk money on and not feel any guilt about it should he not turn up.

As you said he doesn't owe connections anything, and from a punting perspective he owes me nothing either, he was the single biggest horse I'd ever backed along with Vautour in 2014 including in a lot of multi's and from that day onwards both them horses had my head and heart! I'm just sooo gutted Vautour never got his Gold Cup chance, but back to the stayers' and Faugheen wiped the floor with Penhill and the rest at Punchestown, he'd do the same to them at Cheltenham too if turning up 90-100% IMO.
 
Not sure any horse can turn up 90% and win sat Cheltenham, even more so an 11yo in a championship race, but he’s a star of the game and his presence would definitely add to the race...
 
Istabraq said:
Not sure any horse can turn up 90% and win sat Cheltenham, even more so an 11yo in a championship race, but he’s a star of the game and his presence would definitely add to the race...
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You are probably right. It's a risk I don't mind taking with Faugheen though.
 
jack1092 said:
Jesus lads, multiples in September!
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Not that crazy is it? My multiples placed between April and Sept since I've had any... (which is only the last 3 years)

2018 was -15 pts
2017 was +145 pts
2016 was -13 pts

Net profit +117 pts

Last season a win for either of Our Duke, Cause of Causes or Finian's Oscar would all have been +500 pts and in some cases much more.... (although that would have included some multiples I had from October < too) but no way I'd consider changing after that.
 
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