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Stayers Hurdle 2019

Stayers Hurdle 2019

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Penhill still wins, no matter which novice chasing flop turns up.

Big Bucks isn't a similar comparison to black op or kilbricken storm.

... :devilish:
 
Kevloaf said:
Penhill still wins, no matter which novice chasing flop turns up.

Big Bucks isn't a similar comparison to black op or kilbricken storm.

... :devilish:
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Faugheen is no novice chasing flop :highly_amused:
 
bobbyvalentino said:
I'm interested that you are taking digs at Supasundae's ability to stay a truly run 3m based on last year, but have Penhill as the top class one to beat (form from farcical race)?
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I like Supasundae don’t get me wrong. But for the Chanpion Hurdle rather than the Stayers. He won’t stay the 3m trio in a properly run race.

Penhills Albert Bartlett was a proper testing gallop and yet he outstayed all of them.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
I like Supasundae don’t get me wrong. But for the Chanpion Hurdle rather than the Stayers. He won’t stay the 3m trio in a properly run race.

Penhills Albert Bartlett was a proper testing gallop and yet he outstayed all of them.
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Didn't think penhill's bartlett was that strongly run. Looked identical to his stayers win, with all the field still in contention 2 out and then only a handful pulled away after the last in each race.
 
I think penhil's Albert Bartlett was more steadily run than previous years....
 
sprintersacren said:
I think penhil's Albert Bartlett was more steadily run than previous years....
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It's impossible to be sure as the ground will be different even if stated as officially the same, but the time was below average and visually they went steady till 2 from home. Exactly like the stayers he won.
He may be vulnerable off a stronger gallop, his punchestown runs suggest that, although it may just be the track and various other factors.
The Bartlett this year was more strongly run than the stayers and they were a little more strung out, so the performance of Kilbricken storm impressed me as he was the only one up with the pace who finished his race well. And the form has worked out, allbeit over fences in the main, and the tailed off Paisley Park.
Think KS has a real engine and seemed too careful over fences. He's got a chance in a strongly run race, which I'd imagine we'll get this year as other trainers will think it's the way to possibly blunt penhill a bit.
 
Kevloaf said:
Penhill still wins, no matter which novice chasing flop turns up.

Big Bucks isn't a similar comparison to black op or kilbricken storm.

... :devilish:
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My thoughts exactly Kev...

No thinking outside the box necessary, a campaign schooling over over fences then at the last minute reverting back to hurdles can’t be ideal!
 
Faugheen is 11 as much as I love the machine he’s past his best won’t be winning this
 
There is a huge assumption going on, that the stayers hurdle will be a strongly affair.


People say it about literally every race bar the Ballymore. From the Arkle to the Gold Cup, and especially the stayers and the potato race.

It doesn't always happen. It hasn't happened for both of Penhill's wins, and last ywar we had Sam Spinner that everybody KNEW would make it a test!

Which are the guaranteed front runners this time? Which horse can you tell me 100%, makes the stayers hurdle a test of stamina?

I don't see which horse makes the running and has a huge chance.... is this another example of cliches being rolled out in horse racing to analyse races that have no proof behind them?


Apple's Jade if she ran, is the only one it'd suit, and she'd be allowed to make all, and she'd probably win it on class alone. Faugheen, but they won't give him that rope again? (That could be another cliche alert!!!):devilish:
 
They got it wrong on Sam Spinner last tear
I’d imagine they will do the same again this year but the other way around
 
Probably, but he'd get ignored going off too fast, and I don't need much faith to believe Ruby Walsh can judge the pace of the Stayers Hurdle.

His ride on Nichols Canyon was enough on its own, without the epic back-catalogue of success he's had.
 
I’ll 100% have something on Faugheen for this.

Maybe it’s me heart ruling my head. Sentiment ain’t good for betting. But he’s obviously classy, has some top form when beating penhill and can you imagine him winning it? I really could. And I’d love to see it. He’s earnt another crack at Cheltenham for me over the years.
 
bobbyvalentino said:
#1 Faugheen
#2 Paisley Park

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To win the race?

Paisley park gets beat in the cleeve by black op imo.

Kevloaf seems to be dismissing the best uk hurdles form on offer. From black op / kilbricken storm.

Kilbricken storm is coming in with very simular form to penhill, the only difference being he's ridden prominently. he's plenty of pace and hates soft / heavy, so not a clue where that comes from. Watch punchestown

Black op speaks for himself. Tip top hurdles form. Hopefully he dosent hit the last this time as it cost him against santini and samcro. The trip is no problem what so ever.

Both leading contenders imo.
 
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Dangerous to assume last seasons form is the best on offer?

I've backed them both, but Penhill has better hurdles form than both if we're using last year... with no guarantee the race would be ran differently
 
Kevloaf said:
Dangerous to assume last seasons form is the best on offer?

I've backed them both, but Penhill has better hurdles form than both if we're using last year... with no guarantee the race would be ran differently
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How do you know he's better hurdles form than both? I think the 2 Last runs from kilbricken storm and the 3 from black op are rock solid personally
Hes not fluked the AB, punchestown was a huge run.

Samcro and santini are Jesus reincarnated aparrently since the start off the season . Black op ran them both very close. Same mistake at the last
 
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Because I don't think they'd have won the stayers hurdle or been 2nd at Punchestown in open company.

KS is/was a wild price.
BO is just being ahead of the curve.

They've got to prove it though
 
no guarantee about the pace, obviously. But you'd imagine that it may be stronger than last year.
The exact line up on the day will give more clues.
Not sure KS hates soft ground, seemed to do ok on it last year in the Bartlett, I think he's a strong stayer myself so softer going would help with his stamina, and blunt some of the other who are not as strong stayers
 
Kevloaf said:
Because I don't think they'd have won the stayers hurdle or been 2nd at Punchestown in open company.

KS is/was a wild price.
BO is just being ahead of the curve.

They've got to prove it though
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The same comment would easily apply to nichols canyon /uknowhatimanharry and penhill. Same 2 races at punchestown and chelt.
 
Scooby that doesn't mean that BO or KS's form is the best on offer though just following a trend from couple of horses of previous years does it?
 
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