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Stayers Hurdle 2018

SeanRock said:
Supasundae is sticking out like a sore thump to me for this...his latest run in pushing Apples Jade all the way to the line at Christmas was one of the best i'v seen from the horse who seems to be still progressing, he's at his best on good spring ground, has festival form after winning the coral cup last year and the race looks wide open, think he's being underestimated by many i'd have him over Sam Spinner come March any day of the week
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Still stand by this 100%

He looks to have come on a ton this season & the 7/2 still available is good value imo
 
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I don't disagree Sean but if the Stayers is his target why would the horses prep run be over 2m when other options were available ?
Just seems a strange route to go...
 
Istabraq said:
I don't disagree Sean but if the Stayers is his target why would the horses prep run be over 2m when other options were available ?
Just seems a strange route to go...
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Same route as Nichols Canyon last season I believe, which didn't seem a bad decision come Cheltenham ;)
 
Istabraq said:
I don't disagree Sean but if the Stayers is his target why would the horses prep run be over 2m when other options were available ?
Just seems a strange route to go...
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Apart from the Galmoy a couple of weeks ago (often run on very heavy ground) there is only the one graded hurdle over 2 1/2 miles or further between January 1st and Cheltenham that is not a novice/mares race; that is the Boyne hurdle at Navan on 18th February over 2m 5f. However, that is getting close to Cheltenham and, once again, the ground is often heavy.
There really are limited opportunities in Ireland and, if I had one criticism of the fantastic Dublin Festival, it would be that a couple of races could be over different distances (most notably the Grade 1 Novice hurdle on Day 1 over 2m 6f) and the lack of a Graded race for experienced hurdlers over more than 2 miles
 
The "positive" you can take from the Supasundae going over 2m for his "prep" is that it very much was A PLAN. They didn't want him bottoming out over 3m, and were very pleasently surprised with how well he did, however are still adament the Stayers is the plan.

Unorthodox - yes?
Negative - no?
 
Kevloaf said:
The "positive" you can take from the Supasundae going over 2m for his "prep" is that it very much was A PLAN. They didn't want him bottoming out over 3m, and were very pleasently surprised with how well he did, however are still adament the Stayers is the plan.

Unorthodox - yes?
Negative - no?
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I'll hold my hands up I thought it was a terrible idea I thought he had no chance. And was just hoping he diddnt fall/ power ask him to go to the well.
No way did I think he'd come out the race a shorter price.
Credit to connections.
 
You would think Yanworth would come here now, although he would be hard pressed to confirm Aintree form!
 
Scooby91 said:
I'll hold my hands up I thought it was a terrible idea I thought he had no chance. And was just hoping he diddnt fall/ power ask him to go to the well.
No way did I think he'd come out the race a shorter price.
Credit to connections.
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I'm glad they've said they're definitely not considering the CH because I thought about him NRNB for it and would have been annoyed I couldn't be bothered requesting the prices.

I definitely heard someone of a podcast tip him up, I've no doubt it'll come up during this weeks whoever it was so I'll name check the podcast when I come across it. From memory it wasn;t one I find myself getting much out of though!
 
Innoko said:
You would think Yanworth would come here now, although he would be hard pressed to confirm Aintree form!
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He is 3 times the price NRNB with 365 which is probably a big enough price relative to the favourite to justify backing on the Aintree form....

Very different preps though, but you are getting a price that factors that in?

I did back Yanworth each way NRNB at 10s a few weeks back so I still think 9s is a worthwhile IF you fancy Supasundae!
 
Kevloaf said:
He is 3 times the price NRNB with 365 which is probably a big enough price relative to the favourite to justify backing on the Aintree form....

Very different preps though, but you are getting a price that factors that in?

I did back Yanworth each way NRNB at 10s a few weeks back so I still think 9s is a worthwhile IF you fancy Supasundae!
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I think that forms long gone personally.
 
I reckon Supasundae is plenty skinny enough, still haven’t backed him and won’t be going in now (obviously wish I had a couple of months ago). He’s never won over three miles so there has to be doubts about whether he truly sees out the trip, and you can pick holes in his form. He may well still be improving but he’d need to over that trip for me. Penhill the interesting one.. if fully tuned up and the whispers are good then I’ll be adding him
 
Penhill will need to be out pretty soon won't he?

Winning the Stayers without a prep run?

Couldn't have him at double the odds at the moment... too skinny all season unfortunately. 10s best he's been, and now 8s NRNB without a run? :confused:
 
Kevloaf said:
Penhill will need to be out pretty soon won't he?

Winning the Stayers without a prep run?

Couldn't have him at double the odds at the moment... too skinny all season unfortunately. 10s best he's been, and now 8s NRNB without a run? :confused:
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Hes been 20s.
I haven't backed him
 
Scooby91 said:
Hes been 20s.
I haven't backed him
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I was wrong anyway, in the opening post he is 14/1 - 09-17-2017, 05:05 PM

Still, I wouldn't have risked him at 14s, 20's I probably would have...

Will struggle to have a meaningfuul prep race in Ireland now as BoF highlighed.... one of the few I am willing to oppose in the race
 
Kevloaf said:
I was wrong anyway, in the opening post he is 14/1 - 09-17-2017, 05:05 PM

Still, I wouldn't have risked him at 14s, 20's I probably would have...

Will struggle to have a meaningfuul prep race in Ireland now as BoF highlighed.... one of the few I am willing to oppose in the race
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I like him but he's had a nasty injury. No way I can back him at 10/1 Or anywhere close to it in current circumstances. If he wins good luck to connections
 
‘In great form and back in training’ latest I can find on Penhill from about a month ago. Goes well fresh and because of the dreaded bounce I’d possibly give him more of a chance if going straight there. If he lines up you’d have to assume he’s had no setbacks, and the peak of his form from last year is enough to put him right there. Won’t be going in now as can’t imagine he’d be skinnier than 8s on the day with the prep he’s had
 
Robbante said:
I reckon Supasundae is plenty skinny enough, still haven’t backed him and won’t be going in now (obviously wish I had a couple of months ago). He’s never won over three miles so there has to be doubts about whether he truly sees out the trip, and you can pick holes in his form. He may well still be improving but he’d need to over that trip for me. Penhill the interesting one.. if fully tuned up and the whispers are good then I’ll be adding him
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I'd agree that there has to be a question mark about whether Supasundae will be as effective over 3 miles. His pedigree doesn't scream stamina but, as always, the opposition will have to make it a proper test to bring this into play.
 
I like the stat for Wholestone - 7 runs at Cheltenham, won 4, placed 3 times.
Could be a good E/W shout 16/1
 
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