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Stayers Hurdle 2018

Scooby91 said:
All set to run. Will be interesting to see prices. Let's dance could be possibly overpriced ew
Assuming bacardys will be pretty short around 11/8 fav.
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Thats blown that out of the water. I was hoping for 5/1 let's dance.
 
"Bacardys has been disappointing over fences. He jumped carefully on his first start and then unfortunately tipped up at Leopardstown last month.

He will have to carry a Grade One penalty and give weight away all round if he runs. It would be difficult enough for him, as he tends to prefer better ground and, at this time of the year, Gowran is always very, very testing."

Ruby didn't sound overly keen. I guess the market reflects that..
 
Innoko said:
"Bacardys has been disappointing over fences. He jumped carefully on his first start and then unfortunately tipped up at Leopardstown last month.

He will have to carry a Grade One penalty and give weight away all round if he runs. It would be difficult enough for him, as he tends to prefer better ground and, at this time of the year, Gowran is always very, very testing."

Ruby didn't sound overly keen. I guess the market reflects that..
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No bet race for me now. At the ratings and her run at punchestown, you'd have hoped let's dance would be a decent price...... I do think she will go close. But I can't back at that price.
 
Backed Alpha Des obeaux for today, was hoping to try and get a price for this race on the exchanges but not listed. Anyone know of any plans for him?
 
ryanh97 said:
Backed Alpha Des obeaux for today, was hoping to try and get a price for this race on the exchanges but not listed. Anyone know of any plans for him?
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Ultima / brown advisory plate . Irish national I'd have thought. Prep over hurdles today. To retain a mark.
 
Bit of 'Nasal Discharge' for Bacardys rules him out of today's race...
 
Let's Dance Stayers Hurdle bubble burst there... Augusta Kate from the same stable available at 40/1 in a place....

Let's Dance a better mare at the 2m4f distance and surely booked to go there now.... Augusta Kate isn't good enough to win a stayers hurdle based on todays form but I would have had PP as a very lively player at the start of the season (had 0.5 pots e/w at 33/1 which is obviously going to be a NR) .... but anyone impressed with Augusta Kate? Is she going to run here?
 
Kevloaf said:
Let's Dance Stayers Hurdle bubble burst there... Augusta Kate from the same stable available at 40/1 in a place....

Let's Dance a better mare at the 2m4f distance and surely booked to go there now.... Augusta Kate isn't good enough to win a stayers hurdle based on todays form but I would have had PP as a very lively player at the start of the season (had 0.5 pots e/w at 33/1 which is obviously going to be a NR) .... but anyone impressed with Augusta Kate? Is she going to run here?
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Augusta Kate has been well beaten at two Cheltenham festivals (well backed in both occasions) so I wonder if she doesn't really act on the track. Some of her best form gives her a squeak, in what is a very open race.
 
That going on that course is about as different from Cheltenham in March as you will see. Just discard the form.
 
Kevloaf said:
Let's Dance Stayers Hurdle bubble burst there... Augusta Kate from the same stable available at 40/1 in a place....

Let's Dance a better mare at the 2m4f distance and surely booked to go there now.... Augusta Kate isn't good enough to win a stayers hurdle based on todays form but I would have had PP as a very lively player at the start of the season (had 0.5 pots e/w at 33/1 which is obviously going to be a NR) .... but anyone impressed with Augusta Kate? Is she going to run here?
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Id like to see her run here, think 40s is far too big and this looks a much better trip in my opinion. Chelts form is a worry and also with Willies others in the mares not running at their best I think he could leave her in the mares for another option. Had a little on at 40s in case.
 
Adam93 said:
Id like to see her run here, think 40s is far too big and this looks a much better trip in my opinion. Chelts form is a worry and also with Willies others in the mares not running at their best I think he could leave her in the mares for another option. Had a little on at 40s in case.
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It's certainly an interesting option, I've always seen her as far more of a stayer personally. At 40s NRNB it could be worth a small punt, not one for me but certainly not the stupidest of ideas.
 
Taking a piece of 12/1 on Finians Oscar and a bit more on The Worlds End at 25/1.

More than happy with those 2 against the field, both potential to shorten with good runs tomorrow.

Finians has the engine and has looked a stayer every start over fences IMO. Hurdles shouldn’t be the same hinderance as fences and in an Open year he is the unexposed one.

Worlds End on spring ground at Chelts will be a different horse and I suspect he reverses form wit Sam Spinner.
 
Heading down to the track tomorrow and some really nice races on but the one I'm most looking forward to in terms on my A.P is the Cleeve, agree with Al Ferof that The Worlds End will be better suited to March ground but will still be hoping for a decent performance tomorrow, will be happy enough with maybe 5-6 lengths third place, any more than say 10 will have me heading back to the drawing board, irrespective of the ground conditions which shouldn't be too desperate anyway.
 
Liked the run of The World’s End today. I’m convinced, and 20/1 NRNB is still too big to me.
 
I am on The Worlds End and Thomas Campbell. Even allowing for the ground I expected a little better. The Worlds End could do with jumping better and finishing his races off a good deal better. To be competitive in March it seems the ground will need to make a big difference and he is probably going to have to do nearly all his running on the bridle which might be very difficult because we know at least Sam Spinner is going to make this a severe test. Thomas Campbell didn't travel at all and probably needs a break.

Agrapart hugely frustrating for anyone who backed him in a lesser race last time.
 
I've sat here tonight looking over this market, and keep coming back to Supasundae. Sure, Sam Spinner hasn't done much wrong this season, but Cheltenham is a unique course and Supasundae has that course form in the bag, and has improved for his seasonal debut to get within 3/4 of a length of Apples Jade LTO. Improvement on that will see him go close and I suspect he will have been campaigned to be at his fittest for this race. A few on here also had stats about horses returning to the festival after winning the previous year, which I believe was quite profitable, so this must be positive.

I can't have Penhill or Bacardys turning up to this without a spin out over hurdles this season.

L'ami Serge continues to be hard to win with, plus needs to find something with Sam Spinner. The only other one I come back to is original long time favourite UNWIMH, who could well have had his season shaped around this race rather than his early season races, unlike last season where he won everything in sight until the festival.
 
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I think in a ideal world they would have wanted to go the same route with Unowhatimeanharry but because he is a year older they have had to nurse him a little more. He has appeared to be beaten fair and square and although the longer break might help I think it is unlikely he will find any improvement. I fear last year was his chance.

Is Supasundae a thorough stayer? It wasn't a true test of stamina last time and he still appeared to be outstayed by Apple's Jade.
 
kinloch brae said:
I think in a ideal world they would have wanted to go the same route with Unowhatimeanharry but because he is a year older they have had to nurse him a little more. He has appeared to be beaten fair and square and although the longer break might help I think it is unlikely he will find any improvement. I fear last year was his chance.

Is Supasundae a thorough stayer? It wasn't a true test of stamina last time and he still appeared to be outstayed by Apple's Jade.
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You may be right about UNWIMH, but for me 3m on soft for Supasundae was enough a test of stamina as I'd want to see, OK, so the race may have not been run to a true test, but 3m is 3m however you play it up or down, and it could have been much a negative as a positive that the race was run like that for the horse, time will tell, but on better ground, which is more likely at Cheltenham it will not be a problem. He looked like a stayer at the last festival, as he done his best work at the finish of a 2m 5f race.
 
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