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RSA Chase 2020

ELEGANTLY TASTED said:
Champ rated 152 as a hurdler. Champ still rated 152 after chase debut win. Champ still rated 152 after 2nd chase win.

DANNY WIZZBANG initial chase rating of 139 already gone up tp 147 after 1st chase run.

Champ is stagnant and going nowhere and not jumping very well in the process. Assuming Danny wins the grade 1 kauto chase (which I do) then he will be rated 155+.
As Champ has not been brave enough to show his face then Danny will be officially superior to champ after Thursdays stunning win according to OR.

Champ has won a grade 2 after 2 chase starts and Dazzling has won a grade 2 after 1 chase start.

Champ was fit and ready for his chase runs, Danny was fat and hungry for his grade 2 debut win.

I dont see how you can claim the stagnant 152 rated Champ is better than Danny Whizzbang. Thats fantasy. Danny is clearly the superior horse and that will be official as of next Tuesday.
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Couldnt disagree more. Champ at 3 miles is very much unexposed and will win the Gold Cup if he stays fit next year. I was blown away with how he managed to win at Newbury having done quite a bit wrong. I absolutely couldnt have him as stagnant, hes just done what he needs to.
 
billymag said:
Couldnt disagree more. Champ at 3 miles is very much unexposed and will win the Gold Cup if he stays fit next year. I was blown away with how he managed to win at Newbury having done quite a bit wrong. I absolutely couldnt have him as stagnant, hes just done what he needs to.
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Big statement is that. Let’s just be real for a moment.......... Champ literally hasn’t beat a horse of any real quality yet. He’s been beaten fair and square at Cheltenham by a horse who went on to get hammered at Punchestown. There was no excuse for that loss, nothing you can put it down too other than he wasn’t good enough. This term over fences on both starts have struggled to get the job done all be it over a inadequate trip. To say he’s going to be a Gold Cup winner on all known form and visuals is quite simply delusional
 
Lobos said:
Eh??? No idea what you just said.
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I think he was just referring to your shortcomings of providing evidence for your short but strong opinions Lobos! Anyway Champ's main concerns will shortly be finding their peckering order at Leopardstown this weekend!

Why Battleoverdoyen is fav is beyond me???
 
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Kautothegreat8 said:
Big statement is that. Let’s just be real for a moment.......... Champ literally hasn’t beat a horse of any real quality yet. He’s been beaten fair and square at Cheltenham by a horse who went on to get hammered at Punchestown. There was no excuse for that loss, nothing you can put it down too other than he wasn’t good enough. This term over fences on both starts have struggled to get the job done all be it over a inadequate trip. To say he’s going to be a Gold Cup winner on all known form and visuals is quite simply delusional
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I’d prefer visionary rather than delusional lol. The bigger the stamina test the better he looks. He’s banker material for me.
 
I’m still surprised Champ is as short as he is in the antepost market for the RSA. Yes he’s won 2 races this season but they’ve not been impressive enough to justify being 3/1 for the RSA. The best horse I’ve seen so far is Pym and he’s won at 3 miles at Cheltenham which very few of the current leading prospects in RSA market have. I still can’t believe the gulf in prices for a horse that has run the course & distance at Cheltenham and won.

I also think if Samcro stays fit and competes on Thursday he will be racing in the RSA come March, I think 3 mile will suit him and I think this years JLT will be the more competitive race.
 
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The King Pimm said:
I’m still surprised Champ is as short as he is in the antepost market for the RSA. Yes he’s won 2 races this season but they’ve not been impressive enough to justify being 3/1 for the RSA. The best horse I’ve seen so far is Pym and he’s won at 3 miles at Cheltenham which very few of the current leading prospects in RSA market have. I still can’t believe the gulf in prices for a horse that has run the course & distance at Cheltenham and won.

I also think if Samcro stays fit and competes on Thursday he will be racing in the RSA come March, I think 3 mile will suit him and I think this years JLT will be the more competitive race.
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So you think Samcro gets beat at Limerick ?
 
Hoping Champagne Classic does run in the Savills chase, he has all makings of an RSA winner and i think doing over a few of the fancies for that RSA would surely tempt Gordon Elliot into a route change from the NHC with CC
 
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luisgarciaisgod said:
Hoping Champagne Classic does run in the Savills chase, he has all makings of an RSA winner and i think doing over a few of the fancies for that RSA would surely tempt Gordon Elliot into a route change from the NHC with CC
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Agreed Luis he’s probably the best of the Gigginstown lot! But the Disco form is a potential red herring!

Here's Martin Pipe winner Champagne Classic - "without doubt the worst horse I own", according to Michael O'Leary
 
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The King Pimm said:
I think Samcro will win at Limerick but still think he will line up in the RSA if he gets to the Festival.
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Your close to losing your king status pimm.
Dont fall for the bulllshit articles. JLT all day.


Merry Christmas.
 
Kautothegreat8 said:
Big statement is that. Let’s just be real for a moment.......... Champ literally hasn’t beat a horse of any real quality yet. He’s been beaten fair and square at Cheltenham by a horse who went on to get hammered at Punchestown. There was no excuse for that loss, nothing you can put it down too other than he wasn’t good enough. This term over fences on both starts have struggled to get the job done all be it over a inadequate trip. To say he’s going to be a Gold Cup winner on all known form and visuals is quite simply delusional
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I think you under rate black op/ dashel drasher/ highest sun/ pym Beating them over 2 1/2 with what happened in the race. Is real good form. The form of champ is strong. And he isn't even running over the right trip yet, he's motoring to the line over 21/2 against nice horses who are franking the form in every race.
 
Agree, Scooby. Just because he’s racing in Eng doesn’t mean the firm isn’t being franked. I think his form lines read very well.
 
The King Pimm said:
I’m still surprised Champ is as short as he is in the antepost market for the RSA. Yes he’s won 2 races this season but they’ve not been impressive enough to justify being 3/1 for the RSA. The best horse I’ve seen so far is Pym and he’s won at 3 miles at Cheltenham which very few of the current leading prospects in RSA market have. I still can’t believe the gulf in prices for a horse that has run the course & distance at Cheltenham and won.

I also think if Samcro stays fit and competes on Thursday he will be racing in the RSA come March, I think 3 mile will suit him and I think this years JLT will be the more competitive race.
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running to 156 at distance thats shorter than his best, while nearly unshipping Barry early on then nearly running out and still powering away from some pretty solid sorts!! You can crib the price which is fair enough if your that way inclined, but I dont think he will get any bigger and will power away from the second last come Chelt. I certainly wouldnt be using last years Ballymore as reason why he wont win this, beaten by the better horse on the day at the wrong trip.
 
Scooby91 said:
Your close to losing your king status pimm.
Dont fall for the bulllshit articles. JLT all day.


Merry Christmas.
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:highly_amused: My crown has been slipping for a while, I’ll be hanging around with Richard III in a car park in the midlands before I know it!!
I’m backing Samcro for the JLT, I just have a nagging doubt, probably from lots of comments I’ve read that he will improve with a more stamina test, that he’s going run over further which has caused me to hold off involving him in any multiples as a banker.

Does anyone know if and when Champ will be seen next?
 
The King Pimm said:
:highly_amused: My crown has been slipping for a while, I’ll be hanging around with Richard III in a car park in the midlands before I know it!!
I’m backing Samcro for the JLT, I just have a nagging doubt, probably from lots of comments I’ve read that he will improve with a more stamina test, that he’s going run over further which has caused me to hold off involving him in any multiples as a banker.

Does anyone know if and when Champ will be seen next?
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Dipper New Years Day I believe
 
SamuelP said:
Dipper New Years Day I believe
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A lot of experienced successful punters on here in The Champ camp , his lack of fluency jumping ? ( irrespective of great engine )
Backed at 10/1 as a saver but just love Minella’s jumping and think there’s a chink in Champs jumping if and when jumping comes under pressure allied to Bazza sat nav then we’ll see what develops
 
Humble Pie said:
A lot of experienced successful punters on here in The Champ camp , his lack of fluency jumping ? ( irrespective of great engine )
Backed at 10/1 as a saver but just love Minella’s jumping and think there’s a chink in Champs jumping if and when jumping comes under pressure allied to Bazza sat nav then we’ll see what develops
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Agree, Minella is a huge danger, especially on his superior hurdle wins. Think he should be shorter in betting and should be added to any portfolio.
 
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