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RSA Chase 2019

Kevloaf said:
That is short - I'd still prefer the 20s about Cracking Smart than 10s ND this far out.

If Next Destination and Draconien are the two novice hurdles Ruby is name dropping then dare I say, MAYBE they didn't have a stellar crop of novice hurdlers?!
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I think it would be fair to say they didn't have a stellar crop of novice hurdlers anyway. Only the one place from the 3 novice hurdles at the festival last season, and Draconien was 'held back' as ammunition for the trainers title I'm sure of it.

To go off topic a bit, the race Draconien won was not a true reflection of the form IMO, for a start Getabird smashed him by 12 lengths previously whilst giving him 6lb in the process, to think Draconien improved 6lb & 12 lengths in 22 days is ludicrous. The majority of those he beat at Punchestown had far tougher seasons prior to that race and he just went there a fresher horse IMHO.

Getabird was likely Mullins best novice, but for the left handed thing which seems to be a sticking point.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
I think it would be fair to say they didn't have a stellar crop of novice hurdlers anyway. Only the one place from the 3 novice hurdles at the festival last season, and Draconien was 'held back' as ammunition for the trainers title I'm sure of it.

To go off topic a bit, the race Draconien won was not a true reflection of the form IMO, for a start Getabird smashed him by 12 lengths previously whilst giving him 6lb in the process, to think Draconien improved 6lb & 12 lengths in 22 days is ludicrous. The majority of those he beat at Punchestown had far tougher seasons prior to that race and he just went there a fresher horse IMHO.

Getabird was likely Mullins best novice, but for the left handed thing which seems to be a sticking point.
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Is it not fair to say that they both under performed on each occasion though. I don't think you can say Getabird "smashed" Draconien, but when Draconien "smashed" Getabird that is ludicrous?

You could easily just flip the horses names around and it'd still make sense.


I'm surprised Draconien is getting the 'name-checks' he is, certainly ahead of Getabird. Personally I think Getabird was a better novice hurdler - I backed Draconien "any race" thinking he was more likely to be staying over hurdles so it's a pleasent surprise... but I am not getting giddy.
 
Kevloaf said:
Is it not fair to say that they both under performed on each occasion though. I don't think you can say Getabird "smashed" Draconien, but when Draconien "smashed" Getabird that is ludicrous?

You could easily just flip the horses names around and it'd still make sense.


I'm surprised Draconien is getting the 'name-checks' he is, certainly ahead of Getabird. Personally I think Getabird was a better novice hurdler - I backed Draconien "any race" thinking he was more likely to be staying over hurdles so it's a pleasent surprise... but I am not getting giddy.
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Valid point! I would still argue the form of that Punchestown win, purely on the basis that the main horses that contested it had already had fairly tough seasons and Draconien was and still is lightly raced. Obviously with the final statement you have to allow for improvement, but even so I don't see him as their number 1.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Valid point! I would still argue the form of that Punchestown win, purely on the basis that the main horses that contested it had already had fairly tough seasons and Draconien was and still is lightly raced. Obviously with the final statement you have to allow for improvement, but even so I don't see him as their number 1.
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You're probably right, perhaps it is the fact he is more lightly raced that means he may be open to more improvement but that shouldn't be taken for granted.
 
Kevloaf said:
Is it not fair to say that they both under performed on each occasion though. I don't think you can say Getabird "smashed" Draconien, but when Draconien "smashed" Getabird that is ludicrous?

You could easily just flip the horses names around and it'd still make sense.


I'm surprised Draconien is getting the 'name-checks' he is, certainly ahead of Getabird. Personally I think Getabird was a better novice hurdler - I backed Draconien "any race" thinking he was more likely to be staying over hurdles so it's a pleasent surprise... but I am not getting giddy.
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Stable tours aren't for targets or finding out who the best horse is. They're basically only useful to find out if they're chasing/ hurdling/ sound.
You wouldn't keep mentioning the one for the arkle, work as a racing ambassador for a bookmaker. Have links on the page to back him and be 25/1.

Same for footpad king george/ gold cup.
Samcro all the time we haven't decided yet. When he's twice the price of every one else with the yard sponsors for novice chases.
 
Great turn of speed after the mistake at the last, put it to bed quite quickly.


Would hate to be Elliot trying to figure out who goes where!
 
DElta Works impressed me over trip to short , great will to win attitude , no wonder he won at the Festival .
 
Surprised at all the positivity around Delta Work. He was no more than adequate.

You can't knock anything he's done today but equally that wasn't an impressive debut.

The fitness of Elliott's horses would give you good reason to believe he'll be better next time.

I'm happy to be on him still but watching his debut I wouldn't + am not in a rush to 'top up'.

I have only watched it on my phone live though so need to watch again
 
Kevloaf said:
Surprised at all the positivity around Delta Work. He was no more than adequate.

You can't knock anything he's done today but equally that wasn't an impressive debut.

The fitness of Elliott's horses would give you good reason to believe he'll be better next time.

I'm happy to be on him still but watching his debut I wouldn't + am not in a rush to 'top up'.

I have only watched it on my phone live though so need to watch again
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Agreed Kev. I wasn't impressed and felt similar after Blow By Blow's seasonal debut. Early days but plenty to work on.
 
2m 3f chase debut for a horse expected to compete staying chases was never going to see DW at his best today, I still think he's a 4 miler horse.
He cantered quicker than the rest, was last off the bridle but it took him all of the straight to get on top, this has to be expected.
Good reappearance for me...
 
Istabraq said:
2m 3f chase debut for a horse expected to compete staying chases was never going to see DW at his best today, I still think he's a 4 miler horse.
He cantered quicker than the rest, was last off the bridle but it took him all of the straight to get on top, this has to be expected.
Good reappearance for me...
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Exactly my impression, happy with that as an opener
 
Having watched it back I thought Davy gave him a good ride, he got a bit tight to some fences but was clever throughout and clearly the trip was a tad on the short side. Davy looked shattered coming back in!! I'd say it was workmanlike - very much a job done, move on kind of run but I certainly was hoping to see a little more from him. If you were to watch that race, with no history of what DW achieved last season i'm not sure you'd be rushing to back him for any race though...

But his run today reminded me of Death Duty's chase debut last year actually. Death Duty improved bundles for his next run and i'd be hoping and expect to see a similar improvement in this case.

Elliott has said the Drinmore could be next (2m4) for him which suggests he's clearly right up there in the pecking order still for the novice chasers. Still absolutely an 'Any Race' play though I feel especially after today.
 
Istabraq said:
2m 3f chase debut for a horse expected to compete staying chases was never going to see DW at his best today, I still think he's a 4 miler horse.
He cantered quicker than the rest, was last off the bridle but it took him all of the straight to get on top, this has to be expected.
Good reappearance for me...
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Agree with this .,Apart from ..being a 4 miler horse , only because of G.E's stable tour comments.,
Still think it will be R.s.a chase ??.
 
BigChaang said:
Agree with this .,Apart from ..being a 4 miler horse , only because of G.E's stable tour comments.,
Still think it will be R.s.a chase ??.
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If the Drinmore is the plan then I can't see the 4 miler being likely but of course that could easily change.

But having now seen Blow by Blow and Delta Work I don't think they've set the bar that high for Champagne Classic and Cracking Smart in the pecking order.

Besides I wouldn't worry too much, we know The Worlds End wins wherever he turns up come March :devilish:
 
LBAR now 14s for this after impressive performance today
 
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