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National Hunt Chase (4 miler) 2019

Loads ahead of BBB in the market won't even go - Delta Work, Santini, Mortal, Next Destination, probably more

I have liked BBB for this all year and am slowly gaining more and more confidence.

How do you know mortal won't go? He may.
BBB could well go for the Irish national on all the runs we've seen. That would be a caution.

Do you not think the likes of Mr whipped has a little more pace and class ?
 
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How do you know mortal won't go? He may.
BBB could well go for the Irish national on all the runs we've seen. That would be a caution.

Do you not think the likes of Mr whipped has a little more pace and class ?

I don't know. Of course he might, but I don't think he will
He could go for the Irish National - plenty go to both Cheltenham and Fairyhouse
In a word, no. I think 42's about Mr Whipped is decent though.
 
How do you know mortal won't go? He may.
BBB could well go for the Irish national on all the runs we've seen. That would be a caution.

Do you not think the likes of Mr whipped has a little more pace and class ?

To be fair, you don’t need pace for this race. That speed will be blunted after 4m. True end to end gallopers who are one paced like Ms Parfois are made for this race. Not horses with a turn of foot like Mr Whipped imo.
 
Loads ahead of BBB in the market won't even go - Delta Work, Santini, Mortal, Next Destination, probably more

I have liked BBB for this all year and am slowly gaining more and more confidence.

I agree about the first point. Could I borrow some of your confidence about him. I think he’s one of many with a chance but hard to be confident in that 25s from months ago.
 
To be fair, you don’t need pace for this race. That speed will be blunted after 4m. True end to end gallopers who are one paced like Ms Parfois are made for this race. Not horses with a turn of foot like Mr Whipped imo.

I don't think Mr whipped has bags of pace per say. I just think he's a very sound jumper, who in context to this has enough tactical pace to be handy enough. He just keeps finding.

I think mis parfois has tactical pace tbh.

Does blow by blow have enough pace for a hypothetical jockey to have options . Or would he just be flat to the boards and keep finding?
 
Ms Parfois doesn't have tactical pace she just jumps and gallops.
 
Ms Parfois doesn't have tactical pace she just jumps and gallops.

She was prominent, went with them all the way. Had form over shorter beforehand ridden handy.

Not flat to the boards like blow by blow has been.
 
Ms Parfois doesn't have tactical pace she just jumps and gallops.

I agree with you. She’s a one-paced battler who stays all day.

I know she didn’t win last year but she’s exactly the type of horse I want for a race like this. No frills but is ideal for this scenario. Blow By Blow is also relatively paceless so would suit this test.
 
Yeah she's a prominent galloper that's not tactical pace.
 
She was prominent, went with them all the way. Had form over shorter beforehand ridden handy.

Not flat to the boards like blow by blow has been.

She was prominent because it’s a 4 mile race and they never go off quickly. The first 3m at that speed isn’t a massively hard ask. It’s the extra mile that gets them. A case of who can continue galloping the longest.
 
Physics dictates they can't go as fast in a 4 miler. BBB prefers soft ground. Form shows that.
 
She was prominent because it’s a 4 mile race and they never go off quickly. The first 3m at that speed isn’t a massively hard ask. It’s the extra mile that gets them. A case of who can continue galloping the longest.

I wouldn't agree personally. But I respect your opinion.
 
I wouldn't agree personally. But I respect your opinion.

Likewise yours Scooby.

It’s a game of opinions. That’s what makes it fun being on a forum dedicated to Cheltenham all year round. It’d be rubbish if we all agreed on every race and every horse.
 
Not sure where this mass confidence for BBB comes from for this one particular race myself. I mean it is Gigginstown, they could end up with Samcro here for all we know....OK maybe a step too far, but you know what I am getting at!

I'm on him 'any race' for now.

My main hopes are OK Corral (33's) & Kilbricken Storm (25's), both from a fair way out too, and I have no reason to change yet.

IF BBB did come here I'd be more than happy to include him, my problem is not with the horse, it's whether he turns up or not, going to wait for NRNB.
 
Not sure where this mass confidence for BBB comes from for this one particular race myself. I mean it is Gigginstown, they could end up with Samcro here for all we know....OK maybe a step too far, but you know what I am getting at!

I'm on him 'any race' for now.

My main hopes are OK Corral (33's) & Kilbricken Storm (25's), both from a fair way out too, and I have no reason to change yet.

IF BBB did come here I'd be more than happy to include him, my problem is not with the horse, it's whether he turns up or not, going to wait for NRNB.

The latter is injured (KS). Not sure if you have cash out?
 
The latter is injured (KS). Not sure if you have cash out?

Yeah, I saw he came back lame, just the injury was never publicised (as far as I was aware), and the severity of it also unknown, so have held back from cashing out just yet, but cheers :)
 
Not sure where this mass confidence for BBB comes from for this one particular race myself. I mean it is Gigginstown, they could end up with Samcro here for all we know....OK maybe a step too far, but you know what I am getting at!

I'm on him 'any race' for now.

My main hopes are OK Corral (33's) & Kilbricken Storm (25's), both from a fair way out too, and I have no reason to change yet.

IF BBB did come here I'd be more than happy to include him, my problem is not with the horse, it's whether he turns up or not, going to wait for NRNB.

Being campaigned in a similar way to others trainer has sent here
GE has said early on that this is the plan - i like that
GE has a very good record in the race
The Martin Pipe has produced lots of great staying chasers
Already an impressive winner at Cheltenham
Taken to fences really well and improving with each run
Big boat of a horse that looks and shapes through his races like 4 miles is right up his street

There is tons to like about the horse. 25/1 with lads is a brilliant price IMO.
 
Yeah, I saw he came back lame, just the injury was never publicised (as far as I was aware), and the severity of it also unknown, so have held back from cashing out just yet, but cheers :)

He's a fracture.
 
Being campaigned in a similar way to others trainer has sent here
GE has said early on that this is the plan - i like that
GE has a very good record in the race
The Martin Pipe has produced lots of great staying chasers
Already an impressive winner at Cheltenham
Taken to fences really well and improving with each run
Big boat of a horse that looks and shapes through his races like 4 miles is right up his street

There is tons to like about the horse. 25/1 with lads is a brilliant price IMO.

28/1 with the boost.
 
Respect BBB chance , he obviously being brought along with this race in mind , however im not convinced by his jumping personally. Ive being looking around at afew that been flagged up already , but one keeps jumping of the page at me not spoken about yet but not 100% sure he comes here , if he does he got a hell of a chance.

Mortal from OBriens yard really impressed me against Delta Work , plugging on really well ,has some nice bits of form to support that run wasnt a fluke. He may be going RSA but Im hoping he comes here.