National Hunt Chase (4 miler) 2019

[Faugheen_Machine]

Blow By Blow has no chasing mark as yet. 150 over hurdles but he's not shown that level of form chasing. A line through Some Neck would have him around 144 but you wouldn't be thrilled about his attitude and I think Some Neck is over-rated on 145.

By the time the British handicapper finished with BBB he'll be rated 150+, as will Some Neck.

 

[charlie]

Blow By Blow has no chasing mark as yet. 150 over hurdles but he's not shown that level of form chasing. A line through Some Neck would have him around 144 but you wouldn't be thrilled about his attitude and I think Some Neck is over-rated on 145.

I thought the way he fought back against some neck was exactly the type of attitude you'd want from a horse stepping up if aimed here.

 

[boopa]

Bit harsh to question his attitude. Just got outpaced.

 

[charlie]

Bit harsh to question his attitude. Just got outpaced.

Agree. I want him aimed here so seeing outpaced over 2m4f when everything about him screams further doesn't make me question his attitude at all

 

[JackieMoon33]

Bit harsh to question his attitude. Just got outpaced.

He was also wearing a visor for the first time and it may have had an adverse effect on him instead of a positive one.

 

[archie]

He won the Martin Pipe over 2m4.5f and got thrashed by proper stayers at Punchestown. Clutching at straws to think that 4 miles is going to be the making of him. A slow horse is a slow horse.

 

[SeanRock]

He won the Martin Pipe over 2m4.5f and got thrashed by proper stayers at Punchestown. Clutching at straws to think that 4 miles is going to be the making of him. A slow horse is a slow horse.

In fairness a lot of good horses underperform at Punchestown after having long hard seasons. He won at Navan & Galway over 2m 7f and the Martin Pipe roll of honor is littered with stayers so I wouldn’t be concerned on that front.

 

[Folski]

He won the Martin Pipe over 2m4.5f and got thrashed by proper stayers at Punchestown. Clutching at straws to think that 4 miles is going to be the making of him. A slow horse is a slow horse.

Presenting Percy got thrashed in the same race the year before. Not saying you are wrong but as I have said before I backed BBB at 33/1 for the MP last year, when I told the owner of my local I had backed him, he told me Pat Healy (main racing photographer in Ireland) had been in the bar 2 weeks prior, he always stops in for a pint before he does a preview in another pub just outside of town, Pat had told him that Elliott said BBB was his biggest fancy of the entire week.

Now personally I am not in love with BBB for this race but when you take into account the quality and number of winners Gordon had last year, you have to take note of a comment like that, coupled with the fact the horse had a tough race at Cheltenham he may have been over the top after. His runs to me so far this season suggest handicap rather than 4m though.

 

[Scooby91]

He won the Martin Pipe over 2m4.5f and got thrashed by proper stayers at Punchestown. Clutching at straws to think that 4 miles is going to be the making of him. A slow horse is a slow horse.

Id agree, iv got him any race at 18s but i wont sugar coat it. he's been piss poor last 2 runs. Same As he was over hurdles up in grade. And won a very weak race on debut. I'd rather him get a mark and go for the Kim Muir than here, Hard to see him winning this imo.

 

[charlie]

He won the Martin Pipe over 2m4.5f and got thrashed by proper stayers at Punchestown. Clutching at straws to think that 4 miles is going to be the making of him. A slow horse is a slow horse.

Loads of great stayers graduate from the Martin Pipe. Presenting Percy was 'thrashed' in the same race at Punchestwon. BBB won a grade 1 over 2m so isn't slow.

 

[Kevloaf]

He won the Martin Pipe over 2m4.5f and got thrashed by proper stayers at Punchestown. Clutching at straws to think that 4 miles is going to be the making of him. A slow horse is a slow horse.

I'll start backing him for the Gold Cup then

Boat By Boat

 

[archie]

I'll start backing him for the Gold Cup then

Boat By Boat

:highly_amused:

Actually, it's Presenting Percy who reminds me of Our Duke.

 

[archie]

In all seriousness, it wouldn't surprise me if there's an aim to get BBB a decent mark for the Irish National.

 

[JackieMoon33]

In all seriousness, it wouldn't surprise me if there's an aim to get BBB a decent mark for the Irish National.

That could be a possibility.

However, when you look at his form last season, he was a slow burner and then peaked at Cheltenham. As he’s such a huge horse it could be that they are building him up throughout the season again.

 

[Quevega]

That could be a possibility.

However, when you look at his form last season, he was a slow burner and then peaked at Cheltenham. As he’s such a huge horse it could be that they are building him up throughout the season again.

I'd say that's what's happening and it works both ways, as he could end up on an attractive mark or end up in this race, having not shown his true ability. I'd say he's a cert to run in this or the Kim Muir. depending on what rating he ends up on. Gordon will do similarly with several horses over hurdles and fences and it is easy to spot with how he places them throughout the season, injuries permitting.

 

[charlie]

I am quite surprised at the reaction to BBB – ‘clutching at straws’ to think he’s a 4-miler and being described as ‘piss poor’ so far this season. That is what I like about the forum though. Sometimes you convince yourself a horse will go a certain route or is of a certain ability and you need an opposing view to make you question the position you hold and how right you think you are.

Perhaps I am looking at BBB through rose tinted specs having backed him for the NHC, but I am fairly sure I am not clutching at straws to think this big Robin Des Champs gelding that Gordon has said would make a 4-miler, will go the 4-miler. Nor do I think he has been piss poor. He won on debut, in an albeit easy race. Careful at a few but by and large jumped well. Second in the Florida Pearl showing all the characteristics of a horse that wants further by staying on after having been headed. Again, jumped pretty well. 7th in a Drinmore wasn’t disappointing for a horse that wants a lot further. He jumped well enough and got done for speed. Cause Of Causes finished 7th in a Drinmore before winning the 4-miler. Jury Duty won the Florida Pearl (BBB lost a neck) before going 4-miler. All going to plan as far as I am concerned.

Fortunately, I took an any race price as well as the NHC, so if he does end up in the Kim Muir then I’l have a decent price at least.

 

[taylorch1990]

BBB is a strange one to decide on value wise. His form this year is bang average imo. However I can't see anything shorter than him in the market going for this race and he has Cheltenham form. I haven't backed him but on the balance of things 25s is still value.

 

[Scooby91]

I am quite surprised at the reaction to BBB – ‘clutching at straws’ to think he’s a 4-miler and being described as ‘piss poor’ so far this season. That is what I like about the forum though. Sometimes you convince yourself a horse will go a certain route or is of a certain ability and you need an opposing view to make you question the position you hold and how right you think you are.

Perhaps I am looking at BBB through rose tinted specs having backed him for the NHC, but I am fairly sure I am not clutching at straws to think this big Robin Des Champs gelding that Gordon has said would make a 4-miler, will go the 4-miler. Nor do I think he has been piss poor. He won on debut, in an albeit easy race. Careful at a few but by and large jumped well. Second in the Florida Pearl showing all the characteristics of a horse that wants further by staying on after having been headed. Again, jumped pretty well. 7th in a Drinmore wasn’t disappointing for a horse that wants a lot further. He jumped well enough and got done for speed. Cause Of Causes finished 7th in a Drinmore before winning the 4-miler. Jury Duty won the Florida Pearl (BBB lost a neck) before going 4-miler. All going to plan as far as I am concerned.

Fortunately, I took an any race price as well as the NHC, so if he does end up in the Kim Muir then I’l have a decent price at least.

He's been running to a mark of around 140 so far this year. Hes had is 2 runs , Be interesting to see his irish mark when it comes out. Kim Muir with codd on board would do me.

However it looks to me like they may be trying to get a mark for the thyestes.

 

[Folski]

BBB is a strange one to decide on value wise. His form this year is bang average imo. However I can't see anything shorter than him in the market going for this race and he has Cheltenham form. I haven't backed him but on the balance of things 25s is still value.

Echo this.

(All B365)
14/1 - Santini - RSA bound surely
14/1 - Next Destination - RSA bound if he can jump and stayers if he can't.
16/1 - Kilbricken Storm - The whole Native River incident means he's unlikely to come here.
16/1 - Delta Work - RSA surely.
20/1 - Cracking Smart - stays hurdling.
20/1 - Robin Des Foret - not sure if he's good enough myself.
20/1 - The Worlds End - Wins the Ultima.
20/1 - Lil Rockerfeller - You'd imagine connections would have their eyes on bigger pots.
20/1 - Carter McKay - 2 runs at Cheltenham have been poor.
20/1 - Blow By Blow - G1 winning bumper horse, CF winner, Elliott says this is the target.

 

[boopa]

Mr Whipped 40/1 is interesting.