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MARTIN PIPE Conditionals Handicap Hurdle

Why would they run him here though?

Wouldn’t seem to be ‘well in’ but has proved he’s top 5 of the Irish challenge which is enough for a good chance in a Grade 1 Bartlett.
 
7barrows said:
Any news on chemical energy for here. Very little on the socials as of late , is he out again before the festival ?
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I’d be surprised if any of those horses that Gordon went fishing for marks for will run again. He won’t want to blow anything as most of them got marks that will (almost) guarantee a run and I’m sure he’s over the moon with them.
 
JackieMoon33 said:
I’d be surprised if any of those horses that Gordon went fishing for marks for will run again. He won’t want to blow anything as most of them got marks that will (almost) guarantee a run and I’m sure he’s over the moon with them.
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thought so but CE will be 4 months break , is that a little too long or no issues do you think?
 
7barrows said:
thought so but CE will be 4 months break , is that a little too long or no issues do you think?
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The top trainers can get horses ready after a break so it wouldn’t worry me, especially given the mark he received. He could have had an injury or still have it though but I’ve not seen or read anything.
 
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7barrows said:
thought so but CE will be 4 months break , is that a little too long or no issues do you think?
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They wouldn't race him again if he'd got the right UK mark, which he has.

Langer Dan is the fav, and he will have had a year off.
And I wouldnt worry about that too.
 
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what are we thinking UK tax wise for these irish runners ; seemed about 6 lb on the ones i checked
 
Adamantly Chosen is a fair price at 25/1 for a Punchestown bumper winner and the connections of last years winner. Is entered in a 2m maiden on 10th Feb for his qualifying run and you’d hope the improvement can come from a step up in trip for this race. Mullins stated the horse would need 2m4f+ in stable tours at the start of the season. Could see him getting a mark in the high 130s/low 140s
 
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gwaaan said:
Adamantly Chosen is a fair price at 25/1 for a Punchestown bumper winner and the connections of last years winner. Is entered in a 2m maiden on 10th Feb for his qualifying run and you’d hope the improvement can come from a step up in trip for this race. Mullins stated the horse would need 2m4f+ in stable tours at the start of the season. Could see him getting a mark in the high 130s/low 140s
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He definitely needs further but unless he wins very comfortably, he probably won't get high 130s mark. Gringo beat him and is only rated 130. The 4th from his first race is only rated 106.

I've already backed him NRNB and hoping he sneaks in the bottom of the weights
 
Saxon Warrior said:
They wouldn't race him again if he'd got the right UK mark, which he has.

Langer Dan is the fav, and he will have had a year off.
And I wouldnt worry about that too.
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LD will run imperial cup first won't he?
 
Benjy23 said:
LD will run imperial cup first won't he?
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I've heard rumours both ways.

That his first run will be in the Pipe
​​​​​​​and that he will try the Imperial Cup-Pipe double again.

​​​​​​​After a year off, you'd need 'balls of steel' to try and win two big races in 6 days.
 
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Definitely the best target trainer this side of the Irish Sea - would not back against him given how well he ran last time and what he ran into on that day
 
Saxon Warrior said:
I've heard rumours both ways.

That his first run will be in the Pipe
​​​​​​​and that he will try the Imperial Cup-Pipe double again.

​​​​​​​After a year off, you'd need 'balls of steel' to try and win two big races in 6 days.
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Aye, agreed. I'd have thought the plan would have been a run around midfield somewhere before the Imperial Cup but obviously not happening now. Not sure if that's due to fitness or if it was never the plan.

​​​​​​Puts me off him a bit for this now, even though I've already backed him :welcoming:
 
Benjy23 said:
Aye, agreed. I'd have thought the plan would have been a run around midfield somewhere before the Imperial Cup but obviously not happening now. Not sure if that's due to fitness or if it was never the plan.

​​​​​​Puts me off him a bit for this now, even though I've already backed him :welcoming:
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I wouldn't let that put you off Benjy...
 
Istabraq said:
I wouldn't let that put you off Benjy...
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Aye, I'll probably let the bet ride now. Doesn't have a particularly smart first time out record does he. As much as Skelton is good at getting one ready after a break, as already shown this season.

Just had a plan in my head that was basically the same as last year but without GDC! And they've not followed it :beguiled:
 
Benjy23 said:
Aye, I'll probably let the bet ride now. Doesn't have a particularly smart first time out record does he. As much as Skelton is good at getting one ready after a break, as already shown this season.

Just had a plan in my head that was basically the same as last year but without GDC! And they've not followed it :beguiled:
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My feeling is that he's been held off the course because they're so happy with his mark and if he was to run it would be hard for him not to show his hand to the handicapper.
Plus, with Galopin Des Champs looking like the new Arkle the handicapper may well use collateral form.
140 works just fine...
 
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Istabraq said:
My feeling is that he's been held off the course because they're so happy with his mark and if he was to run it would be hard for him not to show his hand to the handicapper.
Plus, with Galopin Des Champs looking like the new Arkle the handicapper may well use collateral form.
140 works just fine...
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Hope you're right.

Just thought a half fit prep run wouldn't allow the handicap to do anything, then the Imperial Cup win would only be a 5lb penalty rather than any assessment from handicapoer. And the prospect of the bonus cash for the owners might be hard to turn down.

Owner's got a few with Skelton though so maybe he's fully invested in the one race plan.
 
Irish handicapper marks:

Grand Jury 138
Hollow Games 138
Minella Crooner 139
Minella Cocooner 143


Ginto was given 146 for comparison purposes.
 
I've added a further 4pts E/W on Hollow Games after them ratings. Don't see how he can get UK Tax of 8lbs based on what he's achieved, tbh. Even if he ends up top weight he'll have one of the better conditionals on board, which will count for a fair bit.
 
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When can we see entries for this race folks? Forgive me I’m clueless on that front!!

Ash Tree Meadow the one I’m super interested in (mentioned in the handicaps thread after his debut 3rd)- but RP doesn’t show an entry.
 
Al Ferof said:
When can we see entries for this race folks? Forgive me I’m clueless on that front!!

Ash Tree Meadow the one I’m super interested in (mentioned in the handicaps thread after his debut 3rd)- but RP doesn’t show an entry.
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22nd February I believe, though stand to be corrected :encouragement:
 
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