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Marsh Novices Chase 2020 (was JLT)

Samcro was definitely travelling extremely well when falling at the second last, what he would have found we will never know. Thought his jumping was ok, slower than Fakir but his jumping looked quick which is exactly what he will need in an Arkle.

Think they should definitely keep him in that grade in his next run, yes he fell but already had a confidence booster (back winning) in his debut over fences so see no need to drop grade because he fell, especially with the post race comments from both Elliott and Jack Kennedy.
 
Windsor Avenue will bid to extend the unbeaten start to his chasing career at either Ascot or Doncaster this month.

Trainer Brian Ellison has earmarked the December Novices’ Chase at Doncaster, over almost three miles on December 14, or the Noel Novices’ Chase at Ascot the following Friday over two furlongs shorter.

The seven-year-old has won both his starts this season, easily dispatching the 151-rated Ballymoy when conceding weight at Carlisle last time out.

“He’ll go to either Doncaster or Ascot – both Grade Twos,” said Ellison.

“He beat a nice horse at Carlisle and has already got a rating of 153 – which is to be expected, because he beat a horse rated 151 by 12 lengths, giving him 5lb.

“We always thought he was very good – which is why we weren’t bothered about taking the other horse on, despite it looking like he had it all to do at the ratings.”

Ellison will assess the likely opposition before his final decision on Windsor Avenue’s next assignment.

He added: “It will depend on who is in which race and what the ground is like.

“Obviously Doncaster is struggling at the moment – he wouldn’t run on fast ground, but it won’t be that for a while.

“I think Doncaster is two-seven and Ascot two-five, so we’ll have a look at both.

“He’s not a slow horse. (Jockey) Brian (Hughes) said at Carlisle he felt like he was only hacking – but he’ll stay three miles, no problem. Even his Sedgefield form is strong – the second and third have both come out and won.

“Along with Sam Spinner, he looks the best staying novice in the north.”

Wish I covered both JLT and RSA now :/
 
After Ballymoy’s average performance on the weekend I don’t think we can get too carried away with Windsor Avenues latest win.
 
darlojim said:
Windsor Avenue will bid to extend the unbeaten start to his chasing career at either Ascot or Doncaster this month.

Trainer Brian Ellison has earmarked the December Novices’ Chase at Doncaster, over almost three miles on December 14, or the Noel Novices’ Chase at Ascot the following Friday over two furlongs shorter.

The seven-year-old has won both his starts this season, easily dispatching the 151-rated Ballymoy when conceding weight at Carlisle last time out.

“He’ll go to either Doncaster or Ascot – both Grade Twos,” said Ellison.

“He beat a nice horse at Carlisle and has already got a rating of 153 – which is to be expected, because he beat a horse rated 151 by 12 lengths, giving him 5lb.

“We always thought he was very good – which is why we weren’t bothered about taking the other horse on, despite it looking like he had it all to do at the ratings.”

Ellison will assess the likely opposition before his final decision on Windsor Avenue’s next assignment.

He added: “It will depend on who is in which race and what the ground is like.

“Obviously Doncaster is struggling at the moment – he wouldn’t run on fast ground, but it won’t be that for a while.

“I think Doncaster is two-seven and Ascot two-five, so we’ll have a look at both.

“He’s not a slow horse. (Jockey) Brian (Hughes) said at Carlisle he felt like he was only hacking – but he’ll stay three miles, no problem. Even his Sedgefield form is strong – the second and third have both come out and won.

“Along with Sam Spinner, he looks the best staying novice in the north.”

Wish I covered both JLT and RSA now :/
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Thanks DJ
Am on @40’s JLT only
From the above it looks more like they have RSA aspirations and appear v confident he’ll stay , will depend how he performs upped in trip, although only 4/6 in a hurdles over 2.6 miles
See him as a place bet at best atm
 
charlie said:
I'm surprised your surprised. Twitter is generally a clueless wasteland of recency bias with a mixture of poor knowledge, with the odd dash of brilliant information.
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Is that really any different to here? :p
 
Anyone seen any word from Elliott or co regarding how Samcro came out of the race at the weekend, given his slip on landing?

Just noticed a lot of the 'back' stake had disappeared from the lay side on the exchanges.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Anyone seen any word from Elliott or co regarding how Samcro came out of the race at the weekend, given his slip on landing?

Just noticed a lot of the 'back' stake had disappeared from the lay side on the exchanges.
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Think hes mentioned on keith Donohue's blog, if you take something like that at face value.

You'll drive yourself crazy cod looking at stuff like that on the exchange. And trying to interpret it in a negative way. Relax, and what will Be, will be.
 
Scooby91 said:
Think hes mentioned on keith Donohue's blog, if you take something like that at face value.

You'll drive yourself crazy cod looking at stuff like that on the exchange. And trying to interpret it in a negative way. Relax, and what will Be, will be.
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Been doing it for years, I don't go too OTT about it now, not like when I started, I just like trying to get ahead of the curve if anything were to happen, but it's not vital.

Will check the blog out, cheers.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
Anyone seen any word from Elliott or co regarding how Samcro came out of the race at the weekend, given his slip on landing?

Just noticed a lot of the 'back' stake had disappeared from the lay side on the exchanges.
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Yes saw something on HRI twitter feed last night quoting GE directly and said he's come out of it absolutely fine.
 
Just found the quote:

"Samcro was fine this morning. What happened was unfortunate and who knows what might have happened. But there were plenty of positives".
 
He must be perfect if Elliot is saying he's fine and there's lots of positives, ever the lad to keep his cards close to his chest.
 
With the inspiration of roosters double assassin 8’/, Abv I’ve ventured into a 1000/1 antepost treble on Elliott/gigginstown horses. Samcro 6/1 jlt, BOD 12/1 RSA, champagne classic 10/1 snowflake chase.
I’m becoming a samcro fan and think he’s nailed on for jlt����
 
Guinness Village said:
With the inspiration of roosters double assassin 8’/, Abv I’ve ventured into a 1000/1 antepost treble on Elliott/gigginstown horses. Samcro 6/1 jlt, BOD 12/1 RSA, champagne classic 10/1 snowflake chase.
I’m becoming a samcro fan and think he’s nailed on for jlt����
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I'm lost reading that?

Good that it's exactly 1000/1 though :p
 
Allaho has an entry in the G1 at Limerick 2m3. Little weird he has one considering he hasn't had a beginners yet.
 
Interesting PP go 6/1 Samcro & 12/1 Laurina for this, and have cut City Island into 12.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/bal...-set-for-chasing-debut-at-leopardstown/412362

"There's no change in our plan to go chasing, we decided he was going over fences in May and we'll be sticking to that."

16's is still available with Hills which can be boosted to 17.5.

I don't see him ending up in the RSA as he looks to have plenty of gears. The vast majority of RSA winners start over 2m3f+ and I think they will ultimately start him at 2 aim him here. I think Brassil will carbon copy what he did last year and not really test him until Cheltenham. His price may hold for longer than others that are thrown into deeper waters, but I don't see why he'd deviate away from a campaign that took the scalp of Champ, which we know now more than ever was very impressive indeed.
 
That’ll just be the PP/Oddschecker glitches, which I’m convinced aren’t an accident... generates website traffic and free PR.

Samcro 4/1, Laurina 7/1, CI 16/1.
 
Samcro is surely ultimately a staying chaser and wont go here. He started out racing against the Legend in a 3m pnt to pnt. 3m+ and fences is where he should excel. Thats why he will go RSA.
 
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