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Mares Hurdle 2019

Kevloaf said:
Is now 8?

As if that's a bad thing?

Bang in her prime at 8 isn't she?

5 is 5 ... a notably difficult age?


No way being 5 is better than 8 off level weights (generally speaking)?
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Less likely to improve from 7 to 8 than from 4 to 5 though Kev.

She might be better, nobody knows....
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Less likely to improve from 7 to 8 than from 4 to 5 though Kev.

She might be better, nobody knows....
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had similar number of runs haven't they, but even though an older horse, I'd class BDD as less exposed, seeing as she's unbeaten in the UK and IRE.
On that note, remember that trainers love these unbeaten records, not sure they like getting them beat by one of their own.
 
The step from 4 to open company is the biggest in the sport though

Using GTT as a yard stick she’s improved 4lbs and a length from 4 to 5 which is easy to argue isn’t enough to be competitive in open races
 
Both Laurina and SI entered in the Quevega Hurdle next Wednesday.

They obviously won't, but we'd have some fun in here if they both ran. :highly_amused:
 
I find it fascinating the perception of horses like BDD.

I made the point last year how for an unbeaten mare that connections loved how little credit she gets. She was 16s any race last year so I took that rather than the Mares. This year, any race was again the price with the temptation of the Ryanair and her chasing exploits possible.

I find it fascinating how many people are desperately trying to find reasons to take her on though. Some of them are valid but many are not. An 8 year old is a fine age for her to defend her crown and I’m expecting her to be 8/11 on the day.
 
Hurricane fly said:
The step from 4 to open company is the biggest in the sport though

Using GTT as a yard stick she’s improved 4lbs and a length from 4 to 5 which is easy to argue isn’t enough to be competitive in open races
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I don't think you take her beating of GTT that literally can you? She could have beaten her at least a dozen lengths more this season if she'd wanted to.

She's rated 145 and in my mind there is plenty of scope to see that increase with racing. BDD is only 149 and even if that almost certainly isnt her ceiling either, it doesn't leave a big gap to bridge.
 
Innoko said:
Both Laurina and SI entered in the Quevega Hurdle next Wednesday.

They obviously won't, but we'd have some fun in here if they both ran. :highly_amused:
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I'd settle for Good Thyne Tara running against Laurina.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
I find it fascinating the perception of horses like BDD.

I made the point last year how for an unbeaten mare that connections loved how little credit she gets. She was 16s any race last year so I took that rather than the Mares. This year, any race was again the price with the temptation of the Ryanair and her chasing exploits possible.

I find it fascinating how many people are desperately trying to find reasons to take her on though. Some of them are valid but many are not. An 8 year old is a fine age for her to defend her crown and I’m expecting her to be 8/11 on the day.
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As someone who hasn't really got involved in the race this season and only now really deciding to do I find it pretty obvious to take SI @ 10's or even 8's for 2/1 a place with potential of a nice priced winner too than a 7/4 shot just to win the race.

I appreciate there are probably a few of you who have much better prices than this for BDD and if I could have jumped on at them with confidence at the time I would have, as well as backing SI now, but such is that I didn't so to back her @ 7/4 with no run prior to the race would not be the correct bet for me.
 
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Middle_Of_March said:
I find it fascinating the perception of horses like BDD.

I made the point last year how for an unbeaten mare that connections loved how little credit she gets. She was 16s any race last year so I took that rather than the Mares. This year, any race was again the price with the temptation of the Ryanair and her chasing exploits possible.

I find it fascinating how many people are desperately trying to find reasons to take her on though. Some of them are valid but many are not. An 8 year old is a fine age for her to defend her crown and I’m expecting her to be 8/11 on the day.
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MoM. Im not suggesting 8 isn't a good age. Im saying most horses will improve more from 4 to 5 than they will from 7 to 8.
 
quevega said:
I'd settle for Good Thyne Tara running against Laurina.
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unfortunately it's probably be lackaneen leader and alletrix.
scooby will love that.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
As someone who hasn't really got involved in the race this season and only now really deciding to do I find it pretty obvious to take SI @ 10's or even 8's for 2/1 a place with potential of a nice priced winner too than a 7/4 shot just to win the race.

I appreciate there are probably a few of you who have much better prices than this for BBD and if I could have jumped on at them with confidence at the time I would have, as well as backing SI now, but such is that I didn't so to back her @ 7/4 with no run prior to the race would not be the correct bet for me.
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Sums up my own thinking exactly CoD and more succinctly than I have put it.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
MoM. Im not suggesting 8 isn't a good age. Im saying most horses will improve more from 4 to 5 than they will from 7 to 8.
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I see the point. But BDD as a 7 year old ran against the best Mares around at all ages (Laurina asides).

Stormy Ireland was running against juveniles and now has to take on the full grown Mares.
 
can't catch me said:
i don't think you take her beating of gtt that literally can you? She could have beaten her at least a dozen lengths more this season if she'd wanted to.

She's rated 145 and in my mind there is plenty of scope to see that increase with racing. Bdd is only 149 and even if that almost certainly isnt her ceiling either, it doesn't leave a big gap to bridge.
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bdd 151,,,,
 
Can't Catch Me said:
I don't think you take her beating of GTT that literally can you? She could have beaten her at least a dozen lengths more this season if she'd wanted to.

She's rated 145 and in my mind there is plenty of scope to see that increase with racing. BDD is only 149 and even if that almost certainly isnt her ceiling either, it doesn't leave a big gap to bridge.
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You can argue with horses that go from the front, there isn't as much improvement in a lot of them as it seems- i've been involved first hand with this.
 
BDD is 6lb clear of SI on OR and 10lb clear on best RPR.

PP have BDD at 11/8 and SI at 8/1.

BDD has never lost a 2m4f race. SI has never won a 2m4f race.
 
jack1092 said:
You can argue with horses that go from the front, there isn't as much improvement in a lot of them as it seems- i've been involved first hand with this.
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Un De Sceaux may argue you on that one ;)
 
ComplyOrDie said:
As someone who hasn't really got involved in the race this season and only now really deciding to do I find it pretty obvious to take SI @ 10's or even 8's for 2/1 a place with potential of a nice priced winner too than a 7/4 shot just to win the race.

I appreciate there are probably a few of you who have much better prices than this for BDD and if I could have jumped on at them with confidence at the time I would have, as well as backing SI now, but such is that I didn't so to back her @ 7/4 with no run prior to the race would not be the correct bet for me.
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Is she an ew banker with a fall (Cheltenham) and unseat in the last 5 runs?
 
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