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Chelters 2016 Antepost bets

Although mullins and ricci are a dominant force to be reckoned with I don't believe they are monopolising the sport and i think thats the last thing they would want, they enjoy the competition and as much as they love winning these big grade 1's it's beating the opposition that gives them just as much satisfaction, and they don't win everything, willie does fairly dominate in ireland but it is with a variety of owners, and yes he also dominates Cheltenham, you don't see the same form of domination at aintree or other festivals in england, yes ricci may well be tempted to switch codes but he would never fully switch, ricci loves the jumps and the quality of horse it takes to be a top grade 1 contender, it's already been well documented that ricci has placed some horses with flat trainers but I can't see him putting a world of wealth into it, however we've seen that ricci has come close with some flat ventures this season, not least of all placing in the melbourne cup, anyway without going any further into one just to reiterate the point i think the trio are good for the sport, and those "mongs" who just blindly follow the mullins band wagon of favourites on the day are a big part of the sport whether we as individuals like it or not, they come to the racing on the day, pay for their tickets which is all money towards the sport and makes it tick over, without them you'd see race courses closing at a rapid rate, and as flr the fairytale stories they still happen year after year at the festival, we had one with Coneygree last seaosn and before that we had Huntball, the low purchase equine talents still come through without the top top trainers and prevail on the big stage
 
Well argued GJT :encouragement:

Mayo can defend himself but I think his mong rant is one you get from old timers who got used to seeing jollys overturned in say the Supreme. Things change and the mongs are those who just stick to their old ideas and dont keep an open mind. I might be a mong myself - Min is a terrible price imo.

The other bit of it which I understand is that it can make all your value seeking and form study etc. look like a complete waste of time if the game just becomes about backing Mullins trained favourites.
 
Good posts but can we please drop the use of "mong' please.

Mayo thats a yellow card.
 
Absolutely nothing wrong with backing favourites. There was no end of experts lining up to take the great Sprinter Sacre apart before his Arkle.

If you believe in the wisdom of crowds you would back them all the time.

Betting markets are probably as efficient or inefficient as any other depending on the amount of information in the public domain. The fact that a level stakes profit could have been made backing favourites in cheltenham grade 1 races could reflect that these are better informed than the handicaps where the crowd does not have the same quality of information.

Bottom line is we all find different systems that work ( or dont !) for us and no need to insult others who go a different way. I certainly dont have all the answers which is why a board like this should has some value.
 
Obviously the main focus is on the championship races and big novices but I've taken a look further afield and had an e/w double, On The Fringe 4/1 (Foxhunters) and Josies Orders 3/1 (Cross Country).
19/1 double on the win and 5/2 place double as some insurance.

On The Fringe proved he's the best hunter around last year and I'm not sure there's anything new that will challenge him or old timer that will improve past him.
Josies Orders looks to be the next star in the cross country sphere and as the race is no longer a handicap they'll be off levels, both his Cheltenham victories this year were gained in my view with a little in hand and having the services of Nina Carberry is a huge positive
 
I'm with you on both Istabraq. I see Long Run now likely to have to miss the Foxhunters too now.
 
Thats is a nice double you've put up there, I've actually backed both horses already but in multiples and not a straight double, at those odds i think i'll get on that now!! And referring back to the previous posts those people who back the short price favourites on the day are no doubt backing the same horses we have, the only difference being we have a deeper connection to the sport, we study form in our spare time and get on the ante post prices to seek the value, we spend our time talking about it on this blog and all because at the end of the day we love it, I'm relatively new to this forum but it's one of the best things I've joined and i love everyone voicing their opinions and putting their selections up for all to look at
 
Davy Russell today suggesting VVM should go for the mares - does he not know about my antepost day 1 Acca?!
 
Davy must have forgot about your acca Rowebot and the thousand of others ha!
 
Davy Russell today suggesting VVM should go for the mares - does he not know about my antepost day 1 Acca?!

This is the same Davey Russell that said Bradstock should lose his training license if he ran Coneygree in the GC if I remember correctly!:p
 
got the scattergun out for a yankee.

Let's Dance @ 20/1 - Triumph ( 7 times the price of IG - two pulled well clear with form franked since)
Shantou Village @ 14/1 - Neptune ( hoping he runs here - massively impressive LTO)
Penglai Pavilion @ 25/1 - Supreme ( didnt stay last time but good before that and might get a lead into race behind free running min)
Ma Filleule @ 16/1 - Ryanair (2nd last year and looks the obvious target in a race that will cut up imo)
 
First Day e/w Trixie

Beveur Dair - 12/1 Supreme
Vaniteux - 10/1 Arkle
Onenightinvienna - 12/1 4 miler
 
That's a nice bet that CK :encouragement:
 
Can Willie Mullins claim a clean sweep of Grade Ones on Cheltenham Day One?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...grade-ones-on-cheltenham-day-one-378424.html]


Wednesday, January 27, 2016

Quite extraordinary trainer poised to repeat last year’s feat

Yes, says Darren Norris

Another weekend dominated by the Willie Mullins juggernaut has increased the possibility of the Closutton maestro eclipsing last year’s record haul of eight victories at a single Cheltenham Festival.

If that remarkable tally is to be exceeded, Mullins needs to emulate the day one success he enjoyed last year. Then Douvan took the Supreme Novices’ Chase, Un De Sceaux claimed the Arkle Trophy before Faugheen led home a Mullins 1-2-3 in the Champion Hurdle.

And even when Annie Power fell with the OLBG Mares’ Hurdle at her mercy, stablemate Glens Melody stepped in to secure a Grade One clean sweep for Mullins.

Repeating that feat should be an impossible task but this is no ordinary trainer and this is no ordinary era.

And when you assess the four Grade Ones individually, odds of 8/1 for all four of the Mullins hotpots to deliver look more than a little tempting.

No trainer other than Mullins has won the Supreme since 2012 and Min looks well capable of following in the hoofprints of Douvan, Vautour and Champagne Fever.

A 14-length winner on his first run for Mullins in Punchestown in December, Min followed up with another victory at the same venue in Grade Two Moscow Flyer Novice Hurdle earlier this month. Two things stood out from that display. Firstly, Min took a firm hold of Ruby Walsh early on; suggesting a strongly run race on better ground will see him to better effect. Secondly, when Attribution briefly threatened to make a race of it turning into the straight, Min simply bolted clear to win decisively. He’s hard to look past.

The Arkle Trophy looks a penalty kick for Douvan. Given the assets in his possession, it was quite some statement from Rich Ricci to describe Douvan as potentially the best horse he’s ever owned but then again, it was a pretty impressive statement from the horse at Leopardstown on Sunday.

That 15-length victory in the Irish Arkle might scare some rivals down the JLT route but even if the likes of L’Ami Serge, Sizing John or Ar Mad do line up against Douvan, it’s hard to see anything getting near a talent Mullins described at the weekend as ‘a different species’.

Similar sentiments apply to Faugheen in the Champion Hurdle.

He looked better than ever at the weekend and, realistically, he won’t face anything better at Cheltenham than the two stablemates, Arctic Fire and Nichols Canyon, he dismissed so readily at Leopardstown.

The OLBG Mares’ Hurdle is the final Grade One of day one and Vroum Vroum Mag or, more likely, Annie Power will be short odds to oblige. Annie Power’s fall saved the bookmaking industry millions last year but if she is the superstar connections believe her to be, she’ll surely make it third time lucky at Prestbury Park.

No penalty kicks in Cotswolds and certainly not four of them!

No, says Tommy Lyons


When Glens Melody stepped up to the plate to secure the four-timer in 2015, the depth of the Mullins yard became immediately and abundantly obvious. Extraordinarily, 12 months on the team looks even stronger but let’s not kid ourselves, a repeat would be an even greater feat.

Cheltenham provides the most competitive championship this sport can offer and for every odds-on chance at this meeting, there’s a more appealing one at a gaff-track, on a wintry Tuesday afternoon. How often have we looked at an impressive Festival winner and thought ‘nothing will beat him/her next year’ only for the task to prove too daunting 12 months later? Seldom does the course of national hunt racing run smoothly - and there are still seven weeks until this Festival.

Given the lack of a credible challenger he hasn’t already beaten, Faugheen’s Champion Hurdle credentials are blindingly obvious. Add in stable companions Arctic Fire and Nichols Canyon, and this is the trophy it’s safest to assume will be returning home on a Closutton lorry. It may look like it’s ‘bar a fall’ with Douvan in the Arkle but novice chases are seldom the safest conveyance, and favourites have a poor record in the race. Add credible rivals in the shapes of L’Ami Serge, Vaniteux, and Garde La Victoire.

Even if we put those two races in the Willie Mullins bag, there’s work to be done. Min may be the next Istabraq, but it’s potential, reputation, and his stable’s record in the Supreme Novices’ Hurdle which has him so short in the betting.

Mullins has a second string to his bow, in Yorkhill, but Nicky Henderson’ stable is emerging from a lean period, and unbeaten hurdlers Altior and Buveur D’Air give the Seven Barrows yard a strong hand. Add in Gordon Elliott’s highly-regarded Tombstone and Dermot Weld’s Silver Concorde, to name but a few, and you have the makings of a tremendous race, one in which only a genuine star, not a potential one, should be even-money.

And then there’s the mares’ hurdle. Who will Mullins even run in it? Annie Power? Vroum Vroum Mag? Both? Neither?

Where do we stand with Annie Power who, if she turns up, has questions to answer? Even disregarding the imperfect prep, the Festival hasn’t been a lucky meeting for her. She met her Waterloo in the 2014 World Hurdle, and fell at the last in this race last year. Would Vroum Vroum Mag really be an adequate replacement? Sure, Mullins breaks records for fun, but to believe a repeat four-timer is a likelihood is to ignore and depreciate what it took to achieve it in 2015. Simply put, there are no penalty kicks in the Cotswolds, and certainly not four of them!
 
This was a post on 5th of the month ..

Might have some spare change on a Mullins/Ricci day 1 6-fold..

Min - Supreme
Douvan - Arkle
Vroum Vroum Mag - Ultima Business Solutions Handciap Chase (unlikely target but are they keeping her to hurdles to keep chase mark down?)
Faugheen - Champion Hurdle
Annie Power - Mares Hurdle
Pont Alexandre - 4 Miler


Found the VVM theory intriguing at the time and with Ruby now reportedly saying he would like to ride NC in World Hurdle ?
 
Would they really try NC at 3m for the first time at the fest? I know he was bought as a Stayer but surely they would like to give him a try somewhere else first?
 
Would they really try NC at 3m for the first time at the fest? I know he was bought as a Stayer but surely they would like to give him a try somewhere else first?

..or wait for Aintree ?