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Cheltenham Gold Cup - 2019.

Cheltenham Gold Cup - 2019.

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I agree OP, certainly laid down an early marker.
What sticks is my mind though is his placing since chasing, in his novice season he went to the Mildmay which has probably been the lowest ranked chase at the entire festival and never been a stepping stone to greater things, and Noel Meade is too good to have misjudged a horses ability, I can only assume he is a late developer and still improving,
Ground versatility is a given so whatever the weather Gods throw at Prestbury in March this one will be fine...
 
Istabraq said:
I agree OP, certainly laid down an early marker.
What sticks is my mind though is his placing since chasing, in his novice season he went to the Mildmay which has probably been the lowest ranked chase at the entire festival and never been a stepping stone to greater things, and Noel Meade is too good to have misjudged a horses ability, I can only assume he is a late developer and still improving,
Ground versatility is a given so whatever the weather Gods throw at Prestbury in March this one will be fine...
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Must admit Ista you probably know more than me r.e the horses novice season.

My logic is quite basic - if a horse finishes 4th behind a battle hardened Native River and an excellent Might Bite it is a decent horse anyway. But to then put Balko Des Flow to the sword by 25 lengths (who by the way is one of my horses to watch this year) is mightily impressive.
 
OldPersian said:
Must admit Ista you probably know more than me r.e the horses novice season.

My logic is quite basic - if a horse finishes 4th behind a battle hardened Native River and an excellent Might Bite it is a decent horse anyway. But to then put Balko Des Flow to the sword by 25 lengths (who by the way is one of my horses to watch this year) is mightily impressive.
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I'd be wary of taking the Balko Des Flos 25L behind literally though.... that clearly wasn't his true form.

and Ista - didn't the ground go against him this year? I'm sure they wanted good ground...
 
Kevloaf said:
I'd be wary of taking the Balko Des Flos 25L behind literally though.... that clearly wasn't his true form.
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Not getting carried away by the Distance Kev, but the way Road to Respect ran yesterday was impressive and I will be backing ante-post if it backs it up on its next outings.
 
OldPersian said:
Not getting carried away by the Distance Kev, but the way Road to Respect ran yesterday was impressive and I will be backing ante-post if it backs it up on its next outings.
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Fair enough, certainly was a nice first run this year.

Where/how do you think he'll reverse placings with Might Bite and Native River?
 
Kevloaf said:
Fair enough, certainly was a nice first run this year.

Where/how do you think he'll reverse placings with Might Bite and Native River?
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It depends on how far the horse progresses between Festivals as to whether it can beat a horse of Native Rivers calibre.

I didn't fancy Might Bite on the ground this year and actually backed Definitely Red (who ran a very disappointing race). Might Bite wouldn't be my choice again next March being almost 10 years old, I think this year was its best shot and the ground probably cost it the race.

I am keen on Presenting Percy for the GC in March and that will likely be my largest bet in the race come March 2019 - but if Road to Respect runs again like yesterday beating decent company - 16/1 EW might be pretty decent value for a horse that placed in the same race this year.
 
OldPersian said:
It depends on how far the horse progresses between Festivals as to whether it can beat a horse of Native Rivers calibre.

I didn't fancy Might Bite on the ground this year and actually backed Definitely Red (who ran a very disappointing race). Might Bite wouldn't be my choice again next March being almost 10 years old, I think this year was its best shot and the ground probably cost it the race.

I am keen on Presenting Percy for the GC in March and that will likely be my largest bet in the race come March 2019 - but if Road to Respect runs again like yesterday beating decent company - 16/1 EW might be pretty decent value for a horse that placed in the same race this year.
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If Road To Respect runs again like yesterday beating decent company then you won’t get anywhere near 16’s so if he impressed you and you think is improving (an opinion I share) then id take the price now. Early days but very happy sitting on 44’s
 
Devils advocate here but....

if ANY horse improves and beats decent horses then they'll be cut - we are looking for a horse that will improve?

Road To Respect was supplemented so they clearly felt he was ready to win the race... so maybe he was more forward than his rivals? If that is the case then there is no real strong case to expect Road to Respect to really be any better than he was last year? So the 16/1 now looks fair enough but I don't expect him to improve out of all recognition?
 
I've always thought that RtR was more inconvenienced by this year's ground than Might Bite. If it comes up good next March he would be my choice from all of last March's runners but there's just the feeling that a second season chaser may improve past him.
 
Kevloaf said:
Devils advocate here but....

if ANY horse improves and beats decent horses then they'll be cut - we are looking for a horse that will improve?

Road To Respect was supplemented so they clearly felt he was ready to win the race... so maybe he was more forward than his rivals? If that is the case then there is no real strong case to expect Road to Respect to really be any better than he was last year? So the 16/1 now looks fair enough but I don't expect him to improve out of all recognition?
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I think youv'e summarised it very nicely there Kev, If he gets his ground in March , could be a player, and yes,
the prices change as soon as the races finish , so I think if your'e keen ,you have to be
Brave and back pre race .
 
Kevloaf said:
Devils advocate here but....

if ANY horse improves and beats decent horses then they'll be cut - we are looking for a horse that will improve?

Road To Respect was supplemented so they clearly felt he was ready to win the race... so maybe he was more forward than his rivals? If that is the case then there is no real strong case to expect Road to Respect to really be any better than he was last year? So the 16/1 now looks fair enough but I don't expect him to improve out of all recognition?
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Wasn't Road to Respect due to run 2/3 weeks ago but was pulled on the morning of the race ?
That was a clear steer the horse was match fit and has been for a while....
 
Kevloaf said:
Devils advocate here but....

if ANY horse improves and beats decent horses then they'll be cut - we are looking for a horse that will improve?

Road To Respect was supplemented so they clearly felt he was ready to win the race... so maybe he was more forward than his rivals? If that is the case then there is no real strong case to expect Road to Respect to really be any better than he was last year? So the 16/1 now looks fair enough but I don't expect him to improve out of all recognition?
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I don’t think Road To Respect needs to improve out of all recognition though. The ground went against him and he still ran credibly. Native River didn’t improve, albeit first ever win on second attempt.
 
charlie said:
I don’t think Road To Respect needs to improve out of all recognition though. The ground went against him and he still ran credibly. Native River didn’t improve, albeit first ever win on second attempt.
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That's fine, but the ground went against Might Bite too?

Either Road to Respect needs to significantly improve or Might Bite regress for the placings to reverse.

He did run creditibly, but I don't think he'd have won on good ground last year, Might Bite would surely stI'll have been ahead, having performed much more creditably?
 
somer1 said:
Gorden Elliott training Shattered Love for this
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I'm a little surprised he answered that question the way he did.

I'd been convinced by the cases in the Ryanair thread she'd be more likely to go there.

I personally think she'll get a bit outclassed in the 3m division, and be one of the horses "not-fast-enough-for-2-miles-but-not-good-enough-for-Gold-Cup" types :p
 
Kevloaf said:
I'm a little surprised he answered that question the way he did.

I'd been convinced by the cases in the Ryanair thread she'd be more likely to go there.

I personally think she'll get a bit outclassed in the 3m division, and be one of the horses "not-fast-enough-for-2-miles-but-not-good-enough-for-Gold-Cup" types :p
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I think she's a gold cup horse personally. Their best chance of winning it. I think the likes of road to respect will get swallowed up and spat out pre chelt by last year's novices PP Alboum photo shattered love monalee
 
Presenting Percy will start off in the John Durkan and possibly Leopardstown (Christmas) after.
Reynolds would have liked to have not started him off in a grade 1 but due to the weather has no choice. Ideally they would have wanted a couple of runs into him already at this stage

The John Durkan won't be run over his track or trip, and while we won't be bursting him to make sure he wins, we'll be hoping he can run well there and maybe we'd look at Leopardstown at Christmas after that
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Just been looking through the odds again for this trying to find some value and for me Minella Rocco is standing out at 50-1. His festival record is outstanding and he's faced native river there both times and beaten him. The only thing holding me back is the fact I can't see him shortening till much closer to the festival as his form otherwise is underwhelming. But 50-1 for a horse that's beat the reigning champion twice at the festival is massive.
 
jono said:
Presenting Percy will start off in the John Durkan and possibly Leopardstown (Christmas) after.
Reynolds would have liked to have not started him off in a grade 1 but due to the weather has no choice. Ideally they would have wanted a couple of runs into him already at this stage
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Because of his festival record a defeat or two along the way probably won't put me off... a defeat first time out in the John Durkan won't however it'll be harder to be really keen if he doesn't go very close in the Christmas Chase...

The 'knockers' won't be pleased to see him with such a conventional plan as that's the stick they try to beat him with!
 
taylorch1990 said:
Just been looking through the odds again for this trying to find some value and for me Minella Rocco is standing out at 50-1. His festival record is outstanding and he's faced native river there both times and beaten him. The only thing holding me back is the fact I can't see him shortening till much closer to the festival as his form otherwise is underwhelming. But 50-1 for a horse that's beat the reigning champion twice at the festival is massive.
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You can get 130's on betfair exchange.
 
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