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Cheltenham 2020 - Ante post bets

jono said:
Another good new pod to listen to:

Jumping2Conclusions
https://anchor.fm/ryan-bliss

Only 3 episodes so far. Harry Derham is on each week and it focuses on Ditcheat. Paul Nicholls was on in the latest episode (Will Biddick and Megan Nicholls 2 episodes prior). Really good listen and something a bit different being an insight into the yard, much like his blog.

On the latest pod PN when talking about unraced / bumper horses without prompt goes onto mention once again a good word for Pic D'Orhy as a novice chaser next season.

Seeing him at 100/1 for the CH I got b365 to quote for the Arkle (33/1) and JLT (25/1). Such was his price for the CH I had hoped for 50's so disappointed but makes sense I guess. CH has an established Fav in Espoir D'Allen, a (Willie Mullins...) and a confirmed top novice stepping into it in Klassical Dream to shape the market. Where as the Arkle is way more fluid and yet to form (as shown by Klassical Dream heading the market and Laurina (imo very unlikely to go chasing) close second. So with that in mind such a big price was always unlikely?

They are both also really excited about their bumper horses (the likes of Ask for Glory, McFabulous) going forward this year into novice hurdle campaigns and talk about their change of approach with them. Well worth a listen
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Whilst Will Hill have trouble spelling his name they have him 'any race' @ 25's (bigger if boosted), which is what I have taken already. Probably the way to go currently.
 
Saldier is currently my biggest AP 'any race' bet @ 22's with WH.

I can see he's been mentioned a few times on here already but had him in the 'notebook' from a couple of seasons back and backed him last season early on too. I'm hoping he has a change in fortune and he makes it to the 2020 festival as I think he can be a serious player wherever he ends up.
 
My first antepost bet for next year was Pic D’Orhy for any race at 25s. 3 points each way. Placed the day after the festival ended.
 
jono said:
Another good new pod to listen to:

Jumping2Conclusions
https://anchor.fm/ryan-bliss

Only 3 episodes so far. Harry Derham is on each week and it focuses on Ditcheat. Paul Nicholls was on in the latest episode (Will Biddick and Megan Nicholls 2 episodes prior). Really good listen and something a bit different being an insight into the yard, much like his blog.

On the latest pod PN when talking about unraced / bumper horses without prompt goes onto mention once again a good word for Pic D'Orhy as a novice chaser next season.

Seeing him at 100/1 for the CH I got b365 to quote for the Arkle (33/1) and JLT (25/1). Such was his price for the CH I had hoped for 50's so disappointed but makes sense I guess. CH has an established Fav in Espoir D'Allen, a (Willie Mullins...) and a confirmed top novice stepping into it in Klassical Dream to shape the market. Where as the Arkle is way more fluid and yet to form (as shown by Klassical Dream heading the market and Laurina (imo very unlikely to go chasing) close second. So with that in mind such a big price was always unlikely?

They are both also really excited about their bumper horses (the likes of Ask for Glory, McFabulous) going forward this year into novice hurdle campaigns and talk about their change of approach with them. Well worth a listen
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Thanks for this Jono, will try and have a listen. Just out of interest did Harry give a reason for his disappointing performance in the Triumph? I know he hadn’t had a prep run in this country and I know Scooby thought he should be race fit based on what he had done in France. I also recall him being a big drifter on the morning of the race which may have suggested connections weren’t expecting him to set the world alight
 
Chacun Pour Soi, Laurina, Klassical Dream & Honeysuckle all to place any race
28/1
This bet is really jumping out at me but am tossing a coin if to or not.What do you guys think of it?
 
somer1 said:
Chacun Pour Soi, Laurina, Klassical Dream & Honeysuckle all to place any race
28/1
This bet is really jumping out at me but am tossing a coin if to or not.What do you guys think of it?
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Tough to weigh that one up...

Chacun Pour Soi and Klassical Dream have obvious targets and are 8/1 and 6/1 for them... (62/1 win double - 15/2 to place)

Laurina will 'probably' end up in the Mares .... but you have the security of Stayers and any Novice Chase...

and Honeysuckle is probably going Novice Chasing but could end up in the Mares Hurdle (or even CH I suppose)....





As it's 15/2 to place (with a chance of the win) for just the double, I'd lean towards it not being worthwhile..... but I do like all of the horses in it?
 
Wasnt there talk of Cheltenham adding a Mares Chase to there cards at some point?
 
somer1 said:
Wasnt there talk of Cheltenham adding a Mares Chase to there cards at some point?
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There has been for a few years, certinaly wouldn't want to factor that into my bets for next season though.
 
somer1 said:
Chacun Pour Soi, Laurina, Klassical Dream & Honeysuckle all to place any race
28/1
This bet is really jumping out at me but am tossing a coin if to or not.What do you guys think of it?
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Will see what feed back comes and might chuck mondays free £5 at it
 
Think we’ve got the mares novice race sewn up.
Princess vega
Runs tomorrow 2-05 tramore
Mum was very useful ;)
 
quevega said:
Think we’ve got the mares novice race sewn up.
Princess vega
Runs tomorrow 2-05 tramore
Mum was very useful ;)
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Hi I’ve been looking from this forum for a while and have had some great tips from everyone here I saw your post earlier and have requested a price from skybet 25-1 for the mares novice hurdle thank you for the heads up
 
Thanks for that Freyno, I’ve used my free bet on her just in case!
 
Just placed this yankee:
Benie Des Dieux - Mares 4/1
Klassical Dream - Champion Hurdle 6/1
Chacun Pour Soi - Champion Chase 8/1
Paisley Park - Stayers Hurdle 7/2


£1.50 each way Yankee for £33 on these pays £4036.93
 
Reserve Tank (any race) Hills 14-1 (Sky 8-1)

Impressed by this horse after health issues at the start of the season (ulcers). Won both the Mersey Novice Hurdle (Lostintranslation 2nd in this last year) and at Punchestown. Chasing was mentioned by Joe Tizzard after his last race so my guess would be the JLT. Top price for that race is 16s so makes sense to play any race at 14s. Small stakes until trainer plans are made public.

Other horses of interest for the JLT would be Allaho (think he will drop back in trip next year), Samcro and maybe Birchdale (if the penny has dropped with Henderson that he's not a 3m horse).
 
Love Reserve Tank: so, so progressive and could therefore be even better next season. Backed him for the JLT and RSA at bigger prices with 365 and will look to cash out one of those bets when a target becomes slightly clearer (if possible).

Out of interest though SC, why do you think Allaho will step back in trip next year? He looks like he travels very nicely indeed to me, and finished his 3m hurdle races strongly enough. Intrigued to hear your views.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
Just placed this yankee:
Benie Des Dieux - Mares 4/1
Klassical Dream - Champion Hurdle 6/1
Chacun Pour Soi - Champion Chase 8/1
Paisley Park - Stayers Hurdle 7/2


£1.50 each way Yankee for £33 on these pays £4036.93
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Fingers crossed. Added this myself yesterday ... RC highlighted Paisley to go with the trixie.

Can see the monthly yankee looking similar!
 
If Altior wins the King George do you think they will go for the Gold Cup? Personally, I think they will drop back for the QMCC but interested in others thoughts.
 
Coneygree15 said:
Love Reserve Tank: so, so progressive and could therefore be even better next season. Backed him for the JLT and RSA at bigger prices with 365 and will look to cash out one of those bets when a target becomes slightly clearer (if possible).

Out of interest though SC, why do you think Allaho will step back in trip next year? He looks like he travels very nicely indeed to me, and finished his 3m hurdle races strongly enough. Intrigued to hear your views.
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Yes impressive at Aintree in particular, seems a strong powerful horse so hoping the step up to fences brings out further improvement.

Regarding Allaho dropping back in trip, nothing concrete but I just wasn't that impressed with him at Cheltenham or Punchestown. In his final race he was travelling very strongly and then when push came to shove was passed by Minella Indo and almost nabbed by Carefully Selected, who was terribly outpaced in the middle of the race.

Maybe I'm being too harsh as sure he'll improve over fences, but Mullins bingo also comes into play with Next Destination due back plus the aforementioned Carefully Selected.
 
Princess vega 25-1 365 with cash out
Got to be of interest
Skybet given me last orders now
 
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