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Cheltenham 2019 Ante-Post bets

Am I right in thinking the total matched is double what has been staked? So the £1k matched on the mares actually equates to £500 of bets placed.
 
somer1 said:
What race do we see Cracking Smart going for?
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RSA most likely for me.
4 Miler an obvious option.

Can't see him going any shorter whatsoever on the basis he looked more of a stayer than Next Destination when they ran and ND proved to me he wanted 3m
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
Am I right in thinking the total matched is double what has been staked? So the £1k matched on the mares actually equates to £500 of bets placed.
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I'm not sure I follow FM?

As far as I am aware if it was £1k matched then that's how much has been staked on the 'back' side of things!
 
Kevloaf said:
Folski - if it's 20 winners that have won a race, what is the number that 'haven't' won another race?

Super post, will have a better look at it later on. I love these kinds of statistics. I'll do the +/- profit and loss at level stakes again at some point
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Kev solely looking at those races and not including the 2018 horses as they obviously can't have won a subsequent race yet, 85 which breaks down as follows.

8 - Gold Cup - Imperial Commander, Long Run, Synchronised, Bob's Worth, Lord Windermere, Coneygree, Don Cossack, Sizing John.
7 - QMCC - Big Zeb, Sizing Europe, Finian's Rainbow, Sire De Grugy, Dodging Bullets, Sprinter Sacre, Special Tiara.
7 - Ryanair - Albertas Run, Riverside Theatre, Cue Card, Dynaste, Uxizandre, Vautour, Un De Sceaux.
7 - Triumph - Soldatino, Zarkandar, Countrywide Flame, Our Conor, Peace and Co, Ivanovic Gorbatov, Defi Du Seuil.
6 - Champion Hurdle - Binocular, Rock On Ruby, Hurricane Fly, Jezki, Faugheen, Annie Power.
6 - RSA - Weapon's Amnesty, Bostons Angel, O'Faolains Boy, Don Poli, Blaklion, Might Bite.
6 - JLT - Noble Prince, Sir Des Champs, Benefficient, Taquin Du Seuil, Black Hercules, Yorkhill.
6 - Stayers - Big Bucks', Solwhit, More Of That, Cole Harden, Thistlecrack, Nichols Canyon.
6 - Albert Bartlett - Bertie's Dream, Brindisi Breeze, At Fishers Cross, Very Wood, Martello Tower, Unowhatimeaharry.
6 - Bumper - Cheltenian, Briar Hill, Silver Concorde, Moon Racer, Ballyandy, Fayonagh
6 - 4 Miler - Poker De Sivola, Chicago Grey, Teaforthree, Back In Focus, Midnight Prayer, Minella Rocco.
5 - Supreme - Menorah, Al Ferof, Cinders & Ashes, Champagne Fever, Labaik.
5 - Ballymore - Peddlers Cross, First Lieutenant, The New One, Windsor Park, Willoughby Court.
4 - Arkle - Captain Chris, Simosig, Western Warhorse, Douvan.

If we don't include horses who didn't run at next year's festival it looks like this:

4 - Gold Cup - Imperial Commander, Long Run, Bob's Worth, Lord Windermere.
5 - QMCC - Big Zeb, Sizing Europe, Sire De Grugy, Dodging Bullets, Special Tiara.
3 - Ryanair - Albertas Run, Riverside Theatre, Un De Sceaux.
6 - Triumph - Soldatino, Zarkandar, Countrywide Flame, Our Conor, Peace and Co, Ivanovic Gorbatov.
4 - Champion Hurdle - Binocular, Rock On Ruby, Hurricane Fly, Jezki.
2 - RSA - Don Poli, Might Bite.
5 - JLT - Noble Prince, Sir Des Champs, Benefficient, Taquin Du Seuil, Yorkhill.
1 - Stayers - Cole Harden.
5 - Albert Bartlett - Bertie's Dream, At Fishers Cross, Very Wood, Martello Tower, Unowhatimeaharry.
2 - Bumper - Briar Hill, Ballyandy.
2 - 4 Miler - Poker De Sivola, Minella Rocco.
4 - Supreme - Menorah, Al Ferof, Cinders & Ashes, Champagne Fever.
3 - Ballymore - Peddlers Cross, First Lieutenant, The New One.
2 - Arkle - Captain Chris, Douvan.


Other races which a horse has won and won another race:
4 - Mares - all Quevega.
3 - Foxhunters - Salsify, On The Fringe & Pacha all back to back.
2 - Pertemps - Holywell (Festival Trophy) & Presenting Percy (RSA).
2 - Martin Pipe - Sir Des Champs (JLT) & Don Poli (RSA).
1 - Festival Trophy - Un Temp Pour Tout (Festival Trophy).
1 - County - Alderwood (Grand Annual).
1 - Kim Muir - Cause Of Causes (X Country).
1 - X Country - Balthazar King X Country.
0 - Mildmay.
0 - Grand Annual.
0 - Coral Cup.
0 - Centenary.
0 - Fred Winter.
0 - Mares Novice.
 
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ComplyOrDie said:
I'm not sure I follow FM?

As far as I am aware if it was £1k matched then that's how much has been staked on the 'back' side of things!
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It never used to be, found this from a Betfair blog last year:
Volume matched is one of the most simple figures to understand in trading. There are no fancy calculations involved here!

It is simply the amount of money that has been matched on the Exchange in any particular market. You'll see it on the top-right hand side of a market page on the Exchange website.

If you're using third-party software to trade on the Exchange, you can usually find it just above the trading ladders. If you can't see it immediately, take a look at the manual for your software of choice and you should be able to bring it into view quite easily.

When a market has just been opened there will naturally be £0 matched. This is just because nobody has had a chance to place any bets yet.

If I place a £10 back bet at odds of 2.00, it will enter the market unmatched. If the price is right, another market participant may choose to match by bet with a £10 lay bet.

Now, both of our bets have been matched. This now means the total volume matched in the market is £20.
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It's just something to be aware of when looking at those markets.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
It never used to be, found this from a Betfair blog last year:


It's just something to be aware of when looking at those markets.
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Also if the odds on Betfair exchange if the odds backed on the exchange initially was £10 @ 8/1 , when this is then matched at the A’s a lay then the other person would be stumping up the £80 to win the £10 so total staked/ matched is £90.

I use Betfair exchange very extensively (I don’t really have any bookmakers left to use) and this has always been my understanding of the exchange and values on the market
 
Updated*

Gold cup
Al boum photo 36.0
Monalee 50.0
Shattered love 65.0
Top notch 240.0

Supreme*
Annamix 20/1 ew 20/1

Ballymore
Blackbow 25/1
Carefully selected 25/1
Tornado flyer 25/1

Arkle*
Getabird 20/1
Mengli khan 20/1*

RSA*
Santini 21/1 ( due to a double)
Next destination 10/1 (free bet)
Kilbricken storm 33/1

JLT
claimantakinforgan 33/1

Stayers
Penhill 15/2

Triumph*
Adjali 33/1 EW

Mares novice*
Chante neige 12/1 13/1
Colreevy 25/1

Champion bumper
Asterion forlonge 33/1



ANY RACE

fenta des obeaux 33/1*

farid 33/1*

Allaho 20/1*

never adapt 33/1*

adjali 20/1*

Rhinestone 25/1*

Dento des obeaux 25/1*

On the blind side 16/1*

Delta Work 16/1*

Blackbow 13/1

Cilaos emery 28/1

Cracking smart 16/1

Blow by blow 18/1

Champagne classic 16/1
 
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I think there was some confusion a while back regarding the juvenile Never Adapt and who she was in training with. She's definitely gone to Henderson and is entered next Friday in a listed juvenile Hurdle at Wetherby. There was an article saying she'd gone to Mullins but at least she's gone to the best home for juveniles so nothing lost if you hold any tickets.

https://www.racingpost.com/profile/horse/1880495/never-adapt/entries
 
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JackieMoon33 said:
I think there was some confusion a while back regarding the juvenile Never Adapt and who he was in training with. He's definitely gone to Henderson and is entered next Friday in a listed juvenile Hurdle at Wetherby. There was an article saying he'd gone to Mullins but at least he's gone to the best home for juveniles so nothing lost if you hold any tickets.

https://www.racingpost.com/profile/horse/1880495/never-adapt/entries
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Thanks for that, she'll deffinately get a proper test at this stage if she does go there , cracker factory, quel destin and Gordon's horse are all nice types, and theres winners everywhere.
If they're declared and she wins that, she'll be 10/1 max.
 
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Been thinking When Mr W mullins has been put on the spot and asked before to put a good one up has he?And has it won at the fest?
 
I’m on Samcro at 8/1 and 7/1 for the Champion Hurdle. Seen today he will be entered for the 2m hurdle and 2m 3f beginners chase on Friday at Down Royal. Would you say that if he goes chasing that rules out the Arkle with him starting over that distance or that it doesn’t give any clues as to where he may run at Cheltenham?

I’m trying to make sure that if I have to make quick decisions (my CH bets are with bet365 all bar one so could cash out for profit) that I can be quick enough to get a good price on the likely chase target.
 
Marty973 said:
I’m on Samcro at 8/1 and 7/1 for the Champion Hurdle. Seen today he will be entered for the 2m hurdle and 2m 3f beginners chase on Friday at Down Royal. Would you say that if he goes chasing that rules out the Arkle with him starting over that distance or that it doesn’t give any clues as to where he may run at Cheltenham?

I’m trying to make sure that if I have to make quick decisions (my CH bets are with bet365 all bar one so could cash out for profit) that I can be quick enough to get a good price on the likely chase target.
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I don't get it, why would he be entered for a hurdle and a chase? They want to decide on Wednesday night his plan for the season, seems really odd unless I am missing something?
 
Rhinestone_Cowboy said:
I don't get it, why would he be entered for a hurdle and a chase? They want to decide on Wednesday night his plan for the season, seems really odd unless I am missing something?
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That’s what confused me too RC. The decision must already be made.
 
Be interesting to see what the markets do on Monday / Tuesday because surely stable staff and connections will know in advance and be smashing in
 
charlie said:
Be interesting to see what the markets do on Monday / Tuesday because surely stable staff and connections will know in advance and be smashing in
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Can't see him going any shorter in the Champion Hurdle, his price now pretty much reflects him going there, obviously could shorten for one of the Novice chases though
 
charlie said:
Be interesting to see what the markets do on Monday / Tuesday because surely stable staff and connections will know in advance and be smashing in
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They've already done that.. his yard sponsors have just been picking up free money for the last month every time they've said it's not decided and someone risks one of the novice chases at top price
 
Rhinestone_Cowboy said:
Can't see him going any shorter in the Champion Hurdle, his price now pretty much reflects him going there, obviously could shorten for one of the Novice chases though
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Wishful thinking that they wouldn't cut his price now it is confirmed
 
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