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Cheltenham 2017 Antepost Bets

Im pretty new to the sport in a sense Faugheen. bad knee injury in football forced me in my non sky household to watch sport on terrestrial tv. By chance I got interested in horse racing but been watching it now for a while after becoming

So my betting etc. Is still pretty green/novice like, excuse the pun.

That's why it's so good to see everybody's different ways and opinions on here �� As it will help me out to become a better punter as the time goes on.

On another note. I hope the festival Yankees fire this season!
 
14:00 - Djakadam
14:15 - Douvan
14:35 - American Tom

Exciting 40 minutes for Ricci fans today!

365/1 to all win at Cheltenham (with 365 funnily enough) .... wonder what it'll be after the races today ... Not going to bet, just might be interesting :confused:
 
14:00 - Djakadam
14:15 - Douvan
14:35 - American Tom

Exciting 40 minutes for Ricci fans today!

365/1 to all win at Cheltenham (with 365 funnily enough) .... wonder what it'll be after the races today ... Not going to bet, just might be interesting :confused:

It is now 157/1
 
Anyone know what happened with three swallows Nick? Pulled up early yesterday and a few firms have taken her out of the betting for the mares novice hurdle..
 
Anyone tempted to back Jenkins for the Supreme in a couple of multiples before he may run at Ascot this Friday?

Nothing more exciting than landing the Supreme if it rolls on to something else...

Jenkins (Supreme)
Altior (Arkle)
Annie Power (Champion Hurdle)
rolling on to
Douvan (Champion Chase)

is 109/1 which is alright! ... I think I am trying to find as many ways as possible to have Douvan on the Wednesday becoming the most important race of my life :triumphant:
 
65/1 1 pt EW on Min (Arkle) and American Tom (JLT)

I'd say the targets are 99% clear ... these will definitely be kept apart...and even if Yorkhill does go chasing, they would probably still turn up and have a good go at placing...

Obviously similar to the bets I have posted many pages back with Min / Yorkhill and Altior / Yorkhill but the longer this Yorkhill chasing 'saga' goes on, the more likely I see him staying over hurdles.
 
Agree kev, and the weakness in faugheens price also fuels the fire
 
Wylie says Yorkhill goes CHASING this weekend...! On The Line now...
 
And that Invitation Only will likely go for the Neptune.

Did mention JLT first when asked about Yorkhill..
 
And that Invitation Only will likely go for the Neptune.

Did mention JLT first when asked about Yorkhill..

I missed the bit regarding the JLT .... Chapman seemed hell bent on getting him to commit to the Arkle!
 
"Then hopefully two more runs between now and cheltenham and then depedning on how well he does, it will be JLT or Arkle"
 
Brilliant. Plenty of debate and so on about this but I'll get my thoughts in early...

I feel I have seen enough occasions that lend themselves to the theory that Ruby Walsh rides what Ruby Walsh wants to ride in almost every single race for Mullins, regardless of the owners, at the big festivals. (Specifically Cheltenham)

So to me, this will come down to Ruby riding either:

Option A - MIN / YORKHILL
Option B - YORKHILL / AMERICAN TOM

I don't see any other combination (assuming all arrive fit and well/Yorkhill doesn't jump like a snooker table) I might have considered Yorkhill for the RSA but having Bellshill for that is enough to stunt that thought process for now.

Now in option A, American Tom could also run in the JLT, and in option B, Min could also run in the Arkle, but they'd be 'also rans' because I'd be so confident Ruby had picked the right one, with the best chance of winning.

So, it'll come down to which combination of those two horses, give Ruby the best chance of riding two winners.

A few ways of looking at this next but I am using the premise that they consider Yorkhill to be better than Min over any distance. (Slightly backed up by Ruby's immediate comments after winning the Neptune saying "Yorkhill would win the Arkle with his mouth open".) With that being the case, either they genuinly consider Min being good enough to turn the tables on Altior, leaving Yorkhill to seemingly win the JLT --- OR --- American Tom is good enough to win the JLT, so they fire their best horse at Altior...

I think a HUGE amount now depends on American Tom... if the vibes are strong for him in the JLT then option B becomes a VERY strong possibility.... Coral are still 129/1 for Option B, and I will be backing that shortly after posting, because I have that option covered at a price I do not mind losing on.

Interested to know peoples thoughts and opinions on these options (apologies to those I know don't care about the Mullins' targets with regards to betting)
 
Think there might be a very obvious reason we're all missing.. I don't think willie or ruby really knows who is better MIN, Yorkhill or American Tom.. I think they'll plan to keep them all apart until March then hope the waters become clearer.. Personally I think the fact they've kept options open for Yorkhill until mid December is a negative.. If he was jumping well at home they'd of made there minds up earlier.. For me, I'll go MIN for the Arkle and American Tom JLT..
Love the idea of a team Yankee, how about one for each day of the festival
 
Think there might be a very obvious reason we're all missing.. I don't think willie or ruby really knows who is better MIN, Yorkhill or American Tom.. I think they'll plan to keep them all apart until March then hope the waters become clearer.. Personally I think the fact they've kept options open for Yorkhill until mid December is a negative.. If he was jumping well at home they'd of made there minds up earlier.. For me, I'll go MIN for the Arkle and American Tom JLT..
Love the idea of a team Yankee, how about one for each day of the festival

Ah, an Option C ... :highly_amused:

I do think the Annie / Faugheen missing targets has affected Yorkhill though.... and I would be staggered if Ruby 'got off' a previous festival winner. Staggered.
 
i thought Yorkhill was very average after Chelt, he had a hard season i wonder if it could of left its mark on him. He's a horse im looking to take on. I had a share (small) in Le Prezien and hes solid but not a G1 hurdler and the run at Puchestown was bad. I really would want to see him do it on the track first before committing any money his direction at the prices he currently is. I get the ew double angles though and wish you all luck with them.
 
Hi Guys,

Been reading this forum quite a lot lately, so finally decided to join.

Hope you are all well. Just thought I'd put my opinions across and hope not to offend anyone with them along the way. It seems a very informative thread this one and Cheltenham is the one festival throughout the year and of all racing that I look forward to and put most of my time and effort in to. The past 3 festivals have been brilliantly profitable for myself, ad I am sure they have been for the majority of you guys on here too, so fingers crossed that continues on to next year :D

I want to get your opinions, if willing to share, on the current situation of the Gold Cup market. I myself am all over Djakadam @ 12/1, for value I am really struggling to see any alternative and what I mean by that is we currently have a novice, albeit a extremely talented one at the head of the market, but as short as 5/2 with a couple is ridiculous, no? Then we have the brilliant Cue Card, I am a huge fan of his, but he will be 11 next year, they don't have very good records in the race, how many see this as a big problem? He also only has one run in this race to date and fell, so yet to complete. With regards to Cue Card & Thistlecard you also get the added dilemma of if they will both run or not? Don Cossack was a gallant winner this year, but looks as though he will be heading to the race without a prep run, surely a big negative, unsure how many horses have managed to win this race without a run in the same season prior to it? Coneygree will be 10, again, another age stat, but at least he won the race as a novice which is a positive, and will likely come on massively for his seasonal debut this year, so not without hope. Valseur Lido probably is fair value, but based on their sole meet in the John Durkan (over a shorter trip, granted) in 2015 he probably has something to find with Djakadam. That leaves us with a few at bigger prices that are either novices or have many other questions to answer before they can even be mentioned in the same breath as the previously mentioned bunch.

So why Djakadam? Well, he has experience of the race, finishing 2nd twice, aged 6 and 7 which is no mean feat in itself. He will be 8 come the time of the race, a age that seems to be perfect for winning this race in recent years, since the turn of the century six 8 year olds have won the race, five 9 year olds, four 7 year olds and one 6 year old. I don't know if it was just me, but I also thought he looked bigger framed, more chase like if you like in this years John Durkan, which come Cheltenham time, when Mullins has his charges ready, he should be more powerful than in previous seasons, this however is only an opinion of mine and it may just be that the horses he ran against were just smaller in frame than him.

So that's my thoughts on the Gold Cup so far. I have plenty of multiples of currently, and less singles, I am pretty much in the same camp as most of you on here with regards to other bets, my list currently consists of the following;

Supreme - Crack Mome 25/1 (Very small stakes though)

Arkle - Min 6/1 (Main bet) & Altior 5/2

National Hunt Chase - Emerging Force 20/1

QMCC - Douvan (In most and varying prices multiple bets)

X-Country - Josies Orders (Again, in a lot of multiples around 5/2)

Bumper - Getabird 8/1

JLT - American Tom 12/1

Pertemps - Golden Doyen 20/1 & For Good Measure 20/1

Ryanair - VVM 10/1 (not confident she will go here now) & Un De Sceaux 10/1

Mares Novices Hurdle - Augusta Kate 8/1

Triumph - Bapaume 16/1 & Defi Du Seuil 14/1

Foxhunters Chase - It Came To Pass 16/1

Gold Cup - Djakadam 12/1 (as explained above)

Sorry to ramble on, any thoughts or opinions are greatly received :)
 
What we going for Mayo - each way yankees?