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Champion Hurdle 2020

Scooby91 said:
Any particular aspect of the run where you could see he'd improved up to a CH standard from being 2 stone below it?
By having no pressure on his jumping by beating coko beach
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You’re right, we won’t know whether he’s improved to CH standard until pressure is applied to his jumping, so at this stage it is just guesswork. I just like how low and quick he was over his hurdles, something I didn’t recognise from his performances last year. I also remember his beating of Southern France over 10 furlongs on the flat... that sort of back form for me shows potential for improvement. As I said, I hope you’re right and KD slams him but for me he is a dangerous lurker at the mo.
 
Kevloaf said:
Klassical Dream 11/8
Couer Sublime 3/1

:very_drunk:



I'd have thought Klassical Dream would be odds on and Couer Sublime one of the likely "each way bets to nothing" that people that don't like online gambling love so much.




No way I feel 3/1 is big enough to beat the Supreme winner - and if CS does beat him, I'll just give up on this race as I won't be making a profit :p
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If you looked at both horses’ last runs in isolation, there is no way KD would be an odds on shot IMO. When this book opened CS was 9/2 and KD was trading around the same place as he is now, so clearly someone is backing CS... be interesting and no doubt imformative to see how the market develops on race day
 
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Morley Street said:
If you looked at both horses’ last runs in isolation, there is no way KD would be an odds on shot IMO. When this book opened CS was 9/2 and KD was trading around the same place as he is now, so clearly someone is backing CS... be interesting and no doubt imformative to see how the market develops on race day
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"No way .... IMO"

Good oxymoron :highly_amused:



Klassical Dream was 3rd in a Grade 1 beaten 2.5L
Couer Sublime a 15L winner of a Grade 2


Depends how much isolation you want to go in to, based on those sentences I've put, I'd agree that one shouldn't be odds on....

but the relative merits of the Grade 1 and Grade 2 alter that for me.... so in isolation I feel the 3rd in the G1 was waaaaaay ahead of a 15L grade 2 win.
 
Morley Street said:
If you looked at both horses’ last runs in isolation, there is no way KD would be an odds on shot IMO. When this book opened CS was 9/2 and KD was trading around the same place as he is now, so clearly someone is backing CS... be interesting and no doubt imformative to see how the market develops on race day
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He was an ew bet to nothing that's why. Won't have taken much money.

Taking a last run in isolation when they were both their first runs of the season isn't how i'd be looking at things IMO
 
Kevloaf said:
"No way .... IMO"

Good oxymoron :highly_amused:



Klassical Dream was 3rd in a Grade 1 beaten 2.5L
Couer Sublime a 15L winner of a Grade 2


Depends how much isolation you want to go in to, based on those sentences I've put, I'd agree that one shouldn't be odds on....

but the relative merits of the Grade 1 and Grade 2 alter that for me.... so in isolation I feel the 3rd in the G1 was waaaaaay ahead of a 15L grade 2 win.
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You’ll be able to pay for Xmas with the 11/8 then Kev :) NB. interesting that PP and Sportsbook have the differential in prices smaller than anyone else.
 
Morley Street said:
You’ll be able to pay for Xmas with the 11/8 then Kev :) NB. interesting that PP and Sportsbook have the differential in prices smaller than anyone else.
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My Christmas costs more than what an 11/8 shot can muster up :p

Gone are those days :highly_amused:


I'll have him in a festive yankee though actually for the hell of it.
 
Kevloaf said:
My Christmas costs more than what an 11/8 shot can muster up :p

Gone are those days :highly_amused:


I'll have him in a festive yankee though actually for the hell of it.
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Now that’s a good idea for a new thread... who wouldn’t like a festive Yankee... looks like we might already have 2 in KD & Black Op?
 
Morley Street said:
Now that’s a good idea for a new thread... who wouldn’t like a festive Yankee... looks like we might already have 2 in KD & Black Op?
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[url]http://www.fatjockey.com/forum/showthread.php?15502-Christmas-yankees

Here as good a place as any....
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Paddy Power have had the betting open longer than other bookies for December Hurdle and go
KD 11/8 from11/10
CS 5/2 from 00/30

Coeur Sublime or (irish ) is now 155
Fusil Raffles 152 and Pentland 153 both having uninspiring first outings.

"He looks a different horse this year, he's a lot stronger and Davy says hr feels a different horse" Gordon Elliot plus other interesting comments
 
Wonder if Felix Desjy could be an outsider in this? Gordon mentioned he could stay over hurdles in one of his stable tours.

Obviously not worth thinking too much about until we see an entry, but with this looking such an open race this year, he's one I'm keeping an eye on. Not priced up in many places yet though.

Felix Desjy

6g Maresca Sorrento – Lamadoun
Gigginstown House Stud
52151-2
RPR 152h OR 152

He’s had a little setback – he pulled muscles behind. I had him entered last week and was planning on running him so it’s a real shame. He has to have a month standing in his box now and, while I haven’t discussed it with Michael and Eddie [O’Leary], I wouldn’t be shocked if we kept him over hurdles this season and gave him a handy season. There’s no point in going jumping fences after Christmas.
 
Decided to chance Darasso for this at 75's on exchange. Just 1pt.
looked impressive winning the red mills over 2 mile and looks like they are going to take in the 2 mile grade one over christmas.
A good run there or if it turns over the favourite then it'll be a strong likelihood they'll try again in March I reckon.
Worth a punt.
 
quevega said:
Decided to chance Darasso for this at 75's on exchange. Just 1pt.
looked impressive winning the red mills over 2 mile and looks like they are going to take in the 2 mile grade one over christmas.
A good run there or if it turns over the favourite then it'll be a strong likelihood they'll try again in March I reckon.
Worth a punt.
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Defo worth a go when you look at the difference in price with Coeur Sublime. Already beat him fair and square giving weight so yes think I may join you.
 
quevega said:
Decided to chance Darasso for this at 75's on exchange. Just 1pt.
looked impressive winning the red mills over 2 mile and looks like they are going to take in the 2 mile grade one over christmas.
A good run there or if it turns over the favourite then it'll be a strong likelihood they'll try again in March I reckon.
Worth a punt.
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And not so sleepy is 40-1 on exchange. Jesus. It won a handicap off 127, at ascot where they tend to string out off the home bend and you need to be up with the pace. I remember when Brain Power won and I thought he had no chance but at least he was rated 150 or something at the time.
Anyone backing not so sleepy is daft/very sleepy, although he is going to be entered I suppose so that's a plus.
 
quevega said:
Decided to chance Darasso for this at 75's on exchange. Just 1pt.
looked impressive winning the red mills over 2 mile and looks like they are going to take in the 2 mile grade one over christmas.
A good run there or if it turns over the favourite then it'll be a strong likelihood they'll try again in March I reckon.
Worth a punt.
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No longer in the betting for this weeks race Q. Must have been scratched
 
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