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Champion Hurdle 2019

Champion Hurdle 2019

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Middle_Of_March said:
Blimey I didn’t see that being allowed.

I’ll have a try tonight. Thanks for posting.

If it works like you say, it’s an antepost gamechanger..
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You definitely can. I've posted a few of the bets I've had with them somewhere.

Most of mine include Penhill whow as 9/1 best price with them until last night
 
It’s worked! Cheers lads.

Just played a trixie:
Samcro - Any race 5/2
Might Bite - Gold Cup 5/1
Laurina - Mares 3/1
 
billymag said:
IF BD goes unbeaten this season up to Champion Hurdle then I dont think Samcro could be odds on personally.
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That's true Billy but I think they'd be likely to meet at the Dublin racing festival in February if Samcro stays over hurdles.
 
Yes could be right FM good point, be interesting to see if more English trainers decide to send there horses over to the festival this year.
 
Middle_Of_March said:
It’s worked! Cheers lads.

Just played a trixie:
Samcro - Any race 5/2
Might Bite - Gold Cup 5/1
Laurina - Mares 3/1
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MOM, hello from TRF!

I saw this place had some NH chat going on so thought i'd jump back in!!

Might Bite i believe missed his best chance of winning it, this year. Alright, the grounds probably the blame, but he's turning 10.

You think Laurina heads to the mares? It would be disappointing, but highly likely i'd agree she'll take the Annie Power, VVM route before every being properly tested....

Unless of course, Mullins struggles for a CH contender and throws her into the fire.
 
jack1092 said:
MOM, hello from TRF!

I saw this place had some NH chat going on so thought i'd jump back in!!

Might Bite i believe missed his best chance of winning it, this year. Alright, the grounds probably the blame, but he's turning 10.

You think Laurina heads to the mares? It would be disappointing, but highly likely i'd agree she'll take the Annie Power, VVM route before every being properly tested....

Unless of course, Mullins struggles for a CH contender and throws her into the fire.
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Hi mate,

I think MB would’ve won last year had the ground not turned into a swimming pool. If the ground isn’t similar, I think he gives PP a very good race.

Someone said the other day on here that Laurina is more likely to go Mares with Benie Des Dieux going chasing. He gave plenty of Mullins quotes which implied he's probably right. I’m on Laurina for the Arkle so I actually hope she goes there at 14/1. But we will see.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
That's true Billy but I think they'd be likely to meet at the Dublin racing festival in February if Samcro stays over hurdles.
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Samcro staying over hurdles would stop any chance of Buveur D'air rocking up in Ireland in my opinion! I can't see them 'going away', taking on Samcro before Cheltenham before going for a 3rd... I appreciate Nicky may want to give him a 'tougher' race, but there is Summerville Boy, If The Cap Fits and a few others in the UK for BVD to scramble past this year?
 
Your probably right Kev but it's a nice thought.

The champion hurdle trials after Christmas are usually substandard. Haydock in January is usually run on heavy ground and a weak field (TNO has won the last 4). The contenders hurdle at Sandown is gash and the Kingwell is probably slightly too late in February to tempt them.

The Irish Champion Hurdle would be perfect timing as it's 5/6 weeks before but, as you say, Samcro might just scare NJH off. I don't think JP would be against the idea of running in Ireland though.
 
I appreciate that this side of the Irish Sea we hardly live in a micro tropical climate but I can't imagine the Leopardstown ground being anything other than soft/heavy in early Feb, how many UK based trainers will want to risk their festival horses being bottomed out in a deep ground slog 5 weeks before Cheltenham ?
Not that it did the Irish horses any harm last year of course....
 
FM - Ista - (anyone)

For the sake of conversation...

If FM is right, and we started having these 'big clashes' before Cheltenham, would people see that as a positive or a negative to the "Cheltenham experience".

I think it's impossible to say it doesn't add to the season as a whole, however I can't help feeling I'd be a tad underwhelmed if BVD goes over to Ireland, swots Samcro aside and we've had an entire season 'wasted' with Samcro when he's going in to Chelt for that very specific race as a clear 2nd fav...... and even if BVD went over and Samcro swotted him aside, I can't imagine I'd be as excited as I was without a bet on it!
 
Or worse still, something that was expected to have a chance gets firmly chinned and connections have a re-think.
I’m thinking specifically about novice heats here, if a few think they’re inferior to a hotpot they might go for an alternative race (handicap ?) and an Arkle, RSA or JLT become virtual walkovers.

That said the Arkle has already become a race contested by only a handful and won convincingly by hotpots in recent years...
 
It can only add to the season. I'd like to see the best race against the best far more often. Imo there is too much racing which allows connections to swerve a race for a softer option if they are that way inclined.

The greatest sport is built on rivalries. Imagine if Samcro was beat a short head by BD at Leopardstown, the build up to Cheltenham would be at fever pitch.
 
I don’t disagree FM but there is a risk the reverse will happen.

In years gone by Cheltenham was seen as a Championship meeting where the best Irish horses came over to compete against the best UK horses, I know the clock has moved on but there is a danger Dublin could complicate the Championship status of some races.
Trainers/owners will have the final say I guess....
 
UK Trainers barely send anyone over for Punchestown, because they prefer Aintree and don’t think the three are doable, so I don’t think we will see loads of horses going over for the Dublin festival as they would still
Be asking them to do 3 festivals in 3 months just in a different order.
 
Kevloaf said:
FM - Ista - (anyone)

For the sake of conversation...

If FM is right, and we started having these 'big clashes' before Cheltenham, would people see that as a positive or a negative to the "Cheltenham experience".

I think it's impossible to say it doesn't add to the season as a whole, however I can't help feeling I'd be a tad underwhelmed if BVD goes over to Ireland, swots Samcro aside and we've had an entire season 'wasted' with Samcro when he's going in to Chelt for that very specific race as a clear 2nd fav...... and even if BVD went over and Samcro swotted him aside, I can't imagine I'd be as excited as I was without a bet on it!
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The part about "season wasted" is only true if you think Cheltenham is the be all and end all of NH racing.

At Samcro's experience level, a few easy pots this side of Christmas probably wouldn't teach him much, if he was to race BDA + even lose, he would improve as a horse, and the return bout wouldn't be nailed on to happen the same way. It would just mean the two horses have actually had a top level race in preparation, rather than a walk in the park....like BDA did last year and Hendo admitted he thought he was still undercooked.

Hurricane Fly- why do you UK trainers think this, but Irish trainers don't? They run their horses in the 3, and have been in general winning more races?

I do agree to an extent though, the Sprinter Sacre situation a few years back did show, it can be tough on them.

I just think nowadays, the Irish, especially Willie Mullins, is training is horses 100% for the 3 meetings---starting slower with them than even before (always an slow starter) and giving them less racing this side of Christmas.
 
If Samcro is staying over hurdles, the only 3 feasible races to start in are the Istabraq (Tipp early October - too early?), the WKD (Down Royal early November) or the Morgiana (Punchestown mid November).

There are far more opportunities in beginners chases and given his history you'd say he'd be ready to go mid October. I wouldn't back him in the CH with stolen money until he's declared for a graded hurdle.
 
Any news regarding If The Cap Fits? Out to 50/1 with PP
 
Kevloaf said:
Any news regarding If The Cap Fits? Out to 50/1 with PP
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Think its just a problem with oddschecker with paddy power prices. Drifted on oddscheker on a few horses at paddy but normal odds on site
 
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