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Champion Hurdle 2018

Only being owned by JP.

Going to Ascot instead.
 
That's is poor from connections. He was probably the best backed horse in the race after Hobbs supposedly confirmed the target yesterday.
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
That's is poor from connections. He was probably the best backed horse in the race after Hobbs supposedly confirmed the target yesterday.
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They said they think the greatwood would be too much for him..... with the point being made about Rooster Booster, Menorah previously... I'd say that means he isn't CH class this season to connections. **Pushed out to 9/1 with Betfair :sleeping:

Slightly surprising Charli Parcs came out now though :devilish:
 
Faugheen_Machine said:
That's is poor from connections. He was probably the best backed horse in the race after Hobbs supposedly confirmed the target yesterday.
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Owner JP McManus' racing manager Frank Berry told Press Association Sport:

"Yesterday I said he was an intended runner and he was, but we've looked at everything - the weight and him being a four-year-old - and it looks like Ascot will be better for him.

"It will be the two-mile-three race, the Ascot (Coral) Hurdle."
 
"He's in good form and Philip is happy with him. He's going to run on Sunday," said McManus' racing manager, Frank Berry.

Only 14 hours earlier. Sickener after being very well backed into favouritism. Poor form for a high profile horse
 
Monday
Henderson downplays Jenkins' chance.
Hobbs/Berry boost DDS.
Guess how the prices go.

Tuesday
Guess how the prices go.
DDS now going to Ascot.
Guess how the prices go.

Health warning - remember Binocular.

A clear case of bringing the game into disrepute. Stewards should withdraw all JP's entries.
 
Kevloaf said:
They said they think the greatwood would be too much for him..... with the point being made about Rooster Booster, Menorah previously... I'd say that means he isn't CH class this season to connections. **Pushed out to 9/1 with Betfair :sleeping:

Slightly surprising Charli Parcs came out now though :devilish:
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Def isnt CH class?? quite possibly correct. But then very few Triumph winners go on and win the CH the next year. Make no mistake Defi proved himself to be at the very top of juvenile hurdlers last season even though you tried to crab his form at every step.
As for Charli Parcs, I'm sure they'll find him a nice grade2/3 on a flat track.
 
doctorwu said:
Def isnt CH class?? quite possibly correct. But then very few Triumph winners go on and win the CH the next year. Make no mistake Defi proved himself to be at the very top of juvenile hurdlers last season even though you tried to crab his form at every step.
As for Charli Parcs, I'm sure they'll find him a nice grade2/3 on a flat track.
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Haha, it sounds like you took it quite personally last season? :confused::p

I wasn't keen on his jumping and certainly preferred Charli Parcs for the Triumph last season until CP fell and then he was put in his place, but I don't think I was overly critical on his actual form... but I did perfectly well out of DDS at the festival, and have no problem in saying he was the best 4yo last season....

My point with him was, and is, that I don't think he'll end up being the best of them and that others will improve past him.... I think Divin Bere got close enough.

I think his price for the CH is terrible too, and I couldn't have it as a positive for his chances that he's been pulled out of the Greatwood this weekend... obviously if he was 50/1 for the CH i'd be banging the drum.... price is so important obviously.

Good luck if you're on though ... he'll be a superstar if he wins the CH this year and I Will certainly not be profiting from the horse this year if he does!
 
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Hi all, first time poster here. I enjoyed reading though your discussions this evening, thought I'd throw in my own two cents. I am part of the majority here that believes reigning champ Buveur D'Air is the most likely winner of this seasons renewal if, and that is a big if, a certain Machine doesn't spoil the party. I've never been so excited to see a horse return to action as I am for Faugheen on Sunday. Speaking of him, does anybody have any sort contact with staff in the Mullins yard? Anybody know if he's fit for Sunday? The vibes from Willie/Ricci/Ruby suggest he is in tip-top shape but we've heard that before only to be let down at the last minute. I'd only love to get stuck in at 6/1 but I'm aware of the risks of jumping the gun. If he runs out an impressive winner on Sunday, he will most definitely be shortened/backed into favouritism in my opinion. Whether such a reaction would be deserving or not is up for debate, but in my mind there is no way punters will let Faugheen settle at anything above 2/1 in the ante post markets if he wins nicely, his reputation carries too much weight. One things for sure, it will be music to my ears hearing the commentator call out his name on a racetrack again. Although it's unfortunate we'll have to settle for good old Dessie 'monotone' Scahill rather than the likes of Mark Johnson.

Putting Faugheen aside, I've had a little ante post flutter on 3 horses so far, all at big prices. MYTOY at 50/1, Pingshou at 50/1 and Arctic Fire at 33/1, all each way. Although he will be 11 by the time of the race, MYTOY is just the model of consistency, and I couldn't believe firms priced him up at 50s again for this years renewal, I thought they learnt their lessons from last year. Admittedly this year's renewal seems to have more strength in depth than last years, but no doubt the race will begin to cut up considerably over the coming weeks and 50/1 could once again be a nice docket to be sitting on. Pingshou has suffered a set back and won't be out until after Christmas, but I think he is high class and doesn't appear to have any alternative targets at the festival. Very impressed by Arctic Fire in the County after such a long lay off, and he ran a blinder again when stepping up in class at the Punchestown festival.
 
Montjeu said:
Hi all, first time poster here. I enjoyed reading though your discussions this evening, thought I'd throw in my own two cents. I am part of the majority here that believes reigning champ Buveur D'Air is the most likely winner of this seasons renewal if, and that is a big if, a certain Machine doesn't spoil the party. I've never been so excited to see a horse return to action as I am for Faugheen on Sunday. Speaking of him, does anybody have any sort contact with staff in the Mullins yard? Anybody know if he's fit for Sunday? The vibes from Willie/Ricci/Ruby suggest he is in tip-top shape but we've heard that before only to be let down at the last minute. I'd only love to get stuck in at 6/1 but I'm aware of the risks of jumping the gun. If he runs out an impressive winner on Sunday, he will most definitely be shortened/backed into favouritism in my opinion. Whether such a reaction would be deserving or not is up for debate, but in my mind there is no way punters will let Faugheen settle at anything above 2/1 in the ante post markets if he wins nicely, his reputation carries too much weight. One things for sure, it will be music to my ears hearing the commentator call out his name on a racetrack again. Although it's unfortunate we'll have to settle for good old Dessie 'monotone' Scahill rather than the likes of Mark Johnson.

Putting Faugheen aside, I've had a little ante post flutter on 3 horses so far, all at big prices. MYTOY at 50/1, Pingshou at 50/1 and Arctic Fire at 33/1, all each way. Although he will be 11 by the time of the race, MYTOY is just the model of consistency, and I couldn't believe firms priced him up at 50s again for this years renewal, I thought they learnt their lessons from last year. Admittedly this year's renewal seems to have more strength in depth than last years, but no doubt the race will begin to cut up considerably over the coming weeks and 50/1 could once again be a nice docket to be sitting on. Pingshou has suffered a set back and won't be out until after Christmas, but I think he is high class and doesn't appear to have any alternative targets at the festival. Very impressed by Arctic Fire in the County after such a long lay off, and he ran a blinder again when stepping up in class at the Punchestown festival.
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No contact at all for me.
But arctic fire not being entered up would really worry me.
 
Good first post montjeu, welcome to the forum. I agree in the main with pretty much all of that, and have also backed the same 3.

I am already concerned Arctic Fire is not declared/mentioned though so far this season.

Pingshou is going to be aimed at the CH unless he gets put on his place where they said they'll go novice chasing ... this was before the set back though.

To be fair to Dessie, he gets pretty excited for some of the mega stars .... especially Hurricane Fly :highly_amused:
 
Am sure someone will correct my terrible maths - but there's worse bets out there than MTOY to place at roughly 11/2
 
Kevloaf said:
Good first post montjeu, welcome to the forum. I agree in the main with pretty much all of that, and have also backed the same 3.

I am already concerned Arctic Fire is not declared/mentioned though so far this season.

Pingshou is going to be aimed at the CH unless he gets put on his place where they said they'll go novice chasing ... this was before the set back though.

To be fair to Dessie, he gets pretty excited for some of the mega stars .... especially Hurricane Fly :highly_amused:
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Pingshou is out until after Christmas. Has had a few problems. So prob not enough time to switch back now.


Apologies I missed that part above.
 
Montjeu said:
Although he will be 11 by the time of the race, MYTOY is just the model of consistency, and I couldn't believe firms priced him up at 50s again for this years renewal, I thought they learnt their lessons from last year. Admittedly this year's renewal seems to have more strength in depth than last years.
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I think I banged the drum enough about MTOY for last seasons race, and had plenty on at 50/1, pretty sure I probably bored a few on here with the same old consistency comments as you have set out, haha, but glad someone was on the same wavelength ;)

Despite being in bed with MTOY last season I actually struggle to back him for the race this time around, unless he stays the same sort of price and Faugheen doesn't make it to a track, I just feel you would be backing it for the 1 place if both BD & Faugheen turn up and I don't see the value in that for any of the others really currently.

Also, Henderson said he wants to keep MTOY apart from BD this season, he said that MTOY deserves his own glory so I suspect they'll target something else with him this time around.

And welcome to the forum :)
 
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And talking of MTOY, he's entered up in the Fighting Fifth alongside stablemate Buveur D'air, would not surprise me if BD does not run and MTOY takes this race, like he has in the past.

JP also has DDS and Campeador in the betting, though DDS is due to run at Ascot I believe so another one avoided if that's the case, as wouldn't expect him to be turned out so quickly after that.
 
ComplyOrDie said:
And talking of MTOY, he's entered up in the Fighting Fifth alongside stablemate Buveur D'air, would not surprise me if BD does not run and MTOY takes this race, like he has in the past.

JP also has DDS and Campeador in the betting, though DDS is due to run at Ascot I believe so another one avoided if that's the case, as wouldn't expect him to be turned out so quickly after that.
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I think IO can recall HEndo saying MTOY will be entered and run if BVD doesn't, but it IS BVD's intended target...
 
How many more chances does Yanworth get to impress over fences before he's re-routed back over the smaller obstacles....
 
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