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Champion Chase 2018

Keep backing Min guys, Altior terrible price Min will walk this for me.

I think altior is a better price at 6/4 than min at 3/1 now although I wouldn't back it at this stage. I would be suprised if the can't get a prep into him but they're just saying worst case scenario to cover themselves.
Very happy with 12s ew on min with more than enough on.
but I wouldn't be playing now. Politologue also very short now. But I suppose they have to take the ew bets into consideration. And he'd be bigger win only.

The only value i could see would be great field ew at 20s but hes currently out and that price looks far too big to be true with the guys in the know.

Min my only play in the race so far
 
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I agree with the fact that Altior is not a bet just now at 11/8 6/4 but if he turns up with any sort of confidence behind him (prep run or not) in March he will not be beaten. I suppose without a prep run that unknown might leave him a backable price come March
 
I have a feeling Altior will be ahead of schedule and get a decent prep run in before standing his ground for this, and that his price will be the wrong side of Evs for punters....
 
I have a feeling Altior will be ahead of schedule and get a decent prep run in before standing his ground for this, and that his price will be the wrong side of Evs for punters....

Scary to think what price he would be if he had ran in and presumably won the Tingle Creek
 
Have they ever said which procedure was performed on Altior? Maybe they're trying to 'do a Binocular'.
 
Don't see many 999 layers for Altior :very_drunk:
 
Keep backing Min guys, Altior terrible price Min will walk this for me.

:highly_amused: hopefully we get the chance to find out. I like your confidence Billy but backing Min at 3/1 or 7/2 is madness.
 
Have they ever said which procedure was performed on Altior? Maybe they're trying to 'do a Binocular'.

They have history.
Follow the Unibet prices for more info....
 
They have more history than Gibbon.
 
Keep backing Min guys, Altior terrible price Min will walk this for me.

I'll debate this until I am blue in the 'fingers'.

I can't see a reason on form (hurdles OR chasing) that puts Min ahead.

I'd rather have Hendo training my two miler chaser than Mullins

Min has got to PROVE he is at Altior's level, not the other way round, so at 3/1 (when you can get 13/8 on Altior) I think that is a terrible price

Altior won't win on the bridle, but he'll win pulling away. He is a potential superstar.
 
I'll debate this until I am blue in the 'fingers'.

I can't see a reason on form (hurdles OR chasing) that puts Min ahead.

I'd rather have Hendo training my two miler chaser than Mullins

Min has got to PROVE he is at Altior's level, not the other way round, so at 3/1 (when you can get 13/8 on Altior) I think that is a terrible price

Altior won't win on the bridle, but he'll win pulling away. He is a potential superstar.

I would say Min jumps a fence a lot better than Altior, more fluent and efficiently. Add that into the fact he got the injury during the supreme and rumors of a wind op after too. Not saying he'd beat an on song altior but with his prep not being great then Min looks a fair bet.
 
I would say Min jumps a fence a lot better than Altior, more fluent and efficiently. Add that into the fact he got the injury during the supreme and rumors of a wind op after too. Not saying he'd beat an on song altior but with his prep not being great then Min looks a fair bet.

Actual jumping technique isn't my strongest suit but I've never had any reason whatsoever to think Altior is going to be losing lengths at a fence, certainly to my admittidly untrained eye, they both looked to take to chasing well...so the perceived improvement that Min had for going chasing, I'd argue Altior improved AT LEAST as much when he went chasing and his win in open company before the Arkle proved he was superb.

The injury during the race doesn't mean he'd have won the race, I think that gets over-played and in fairness its just impossible to put a distance to how much it affected him, we will never know... but I'd rather be in the camp that isn't needing the excuse than the one that is... at the current price I just don't think Min is a great bet. I think factoring ALL of the things that would need to go Min's way, like Altior not having a great prep, Min improving past him etc, that I'd want a bigger price than he is.

I don't expect Min will get any bigger in price though, so in terms of what the SP of both horses would be, I can see a point.... but all that will happen for me personally is the closer they are in the betting, the more I'll think Altior's price is a gift...


Only an idiot wouldn't change their mind in light of new evidence, and I'll have no problem holding my hands up if Altior does get beaten.... but I don't think the price of Min now is worth that gamble, when Altior is odds against. If Altior was a 1/2 shot, I'd think Min was a better betting prospect.
 
Take a look at photos of Min hurdling and chasing. As a hurdler he was angular to the point of being narrow. He was also quite nervy which may be a reason for the physical immaturity. Watching him win his first chase at Navan I was really struck by how much he'd matured both physically and mentally and I was fairly confident that he would get much closer to Altior in the Arkle but not knowing if he'd get close enough. As the race turned out, I suspect that he would have got very close and having seen him live at Closutton and on TV on track, I think that that maturity has gone on.
Given Altior's problem, and if he doesn't race before March it must be worse than reported, there is no way that I'd want to back him at the current price but neither do I think that Min is worth backing until NRNB.
 
The vibes seem good about Altior and I expect him to have a prep run before the CC.

I wouldn't back either of them at current prices either until nrnb comes into play.
 
Take a look at photos of Min hurdling and chasing. As a hurdler he was angular to the point of being narrow. He was also quite nervy which may be a reason for the physical immaturity. Watching him win his first chase at Navan I was really struck by how much he'd matured both physically and mentally and I was fairly confident that he would get much closer to Altior in the Arkle but not knowing if he'd get close enough. As the race turned out, I suspect that he would have got very close and having seen him live at Closutton and on TV on track, I think that that maturity has gone on.
Given Altior's problem, and if he doesn't race before March it must be worse than reported, there is no way that I'd want to back him at the current price but neither do I think that Min is worth backing until NRNB.

Can't disagree with any of that archie.

Also agree FM that neither are a betting prospect now.

Let's just hope we actually see this clash!
 
Min favourite on the exchange now with Altior out to 4.0.

Someone on twitter yesterday asking if altior had started any light exercise and Henderson replied saying hes currently being hand walked twice a day.
 
Min favourite on the exchange now with Altior out to 4.0.

Someone on twitter yesterday asking if altior had started any light exercise and Henderson replied saying hes currently being hand walked twice a day.


Now that is interesting . There enough there for me to have a decent bet at 4.0 which I wasn't expecting. Looks far too good to be true. Very tempting but I don't understand who would lay that and who would be backing politologue and min in the same market at very short
Something deffinately isn't right