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As Nicky Henderson said after the race what would be the point when you can win Champion Chases
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Champion Chase 2018
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As Nicky Henderson said after the race what would be the point when you can win Champion Chases
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Just my opinion that he could get beat because of it. It would take some balls by the opposing jockey to hold on as long as possible and make it a real sprint where you catch Altior out with better acceleration but I do think he is there to be got at more than Sprinter was for example.
One example would be the Melling Chase, Hendo did it with SS, a flatter track as well I think it would be a great race for Altior to take on.
Mentioned in the Day 2 thread, I actually spoke with Rich Ricci for about 15 minutes at a bar last night(actually a great guy) and asked him about Douvan and Aintree and if he’d consider the Melling Chase, he did say if he went that would be the plan. So who knows maybe this great clash could go all the way!
One example would be the Melling Chase, Hendo did it with SS, a flatter track as well I think it would be a great race for Altior to take on.
Mentioned in the Day 2 thread, I actually spoke with Rich Ricci for about 15 minutes at a bar last night(actually a great guy) and asked him about Douvan and Aintree and if he’d consider the Melling Chase, he did say if he went that would be the plan. So who knows maybe this great clash could go all the way!
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Good luck with finding a horse who finds more from the last than Altior. He only looks more vulnerable than Sprinter Sacre because that horse did most of his running on the bridle. If they were reasonably close at the last there would only be one winner. Altior had the pace to run away with a Supreme, Sprinter Sacre didn't.
Perhaps if you have an eight length advantage running to the last you might have a chance.
There is no need to step him up in trip. If you are the best at what you do why experiment?
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He is the best after the last, but he is needing to be ridden before the bend
I don’t think he will be stepped up but I’d like to see it at Aintree.
Maybe the word need was the wrong word, but I think he’d be more devastating over 2.5, and I think if there was a rematch again next year Douvan would have him off the bridle even earlier and beat him.
My point about holding on though is that if you slowed the pace to try and keep Altior on the bridle you might be able to outpace him. He seems like a hicham el guerrouj type where he winds it up before hitting top speed rather than a Almighty kick and away
I don’t think he will be stepped up but I’d like to see it at Aintree.
Maybe the word need was the wrong word, but I think he’d be more devastating over 2.5, and I think if there was a rematch again next year Douvan would have him off the bridle even earlier and beat him.
My point about holding on though is that if you slowed the pace to try and keep Altior on the bridle you might be able to outpace him. He seems like a hicham el guerrouj type where he winds it up before hitting top speed rather than a Almighty kick and away
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Just watched this race back.
Altior and Min land at the last together. Altior finishes 7L clear.
In the Supreme, Altior has a 1L lead approaching the final hurdle and takes it better, and wins by 7L.
Altior has IMPROVED as a chaser more than Min has for me. Anything Min does, just franks the form of Altior.
The ground was not right for Altior and I think we'll see a massive figure from him if he gets his conditions.
He's 7/4 for next season and Footpad wouldn't beat him and it seems highly likely they'll step him up in trip based on Ruby and Willie's comments... Douvan and Min are available at 14/1 with PP but Altior won't ever see the back of Min, and for all that Douvan was travelling well, he's fallen too far out to be confident.
He also is fragile so not much of a betting proposition. Neither is Altior at 7/4 at this stage but what an absolute monster of a horse.
I think Sprinter Sacre is the best horse I've seen but if you look at the overall profile of both horses Altior doesn't need to be in his shadow at all. Certainly a comparable horse now... and I genuinly don't see any challengers from the Arkle or this years CC stepping forward to put it up to him after the last.
Altior and Min land at the last together. Altior finishes 7L clear.
In the Supreme, Altior has a 1L lead approaching the final hurdle and takes it better, and wins by 7L.
Altior has IMPROVED as a chaser more than Min has for me. Anything Min does, just franks the form of Altior.
The ground was not right for Altior and I think we'll see a massive figure from him if he gets his conditions.
He's 7/4 for next season and Footpad wouldn't beat him and it seems highly likely they'll step him up in trip based on Ruby and Willie's comments... Douvan and Min are available at 14/1 with PP but Altior won't ever see the back of Min, and for all that Douvan was travelling well, he's fallen too far out to be confident.
He also is fragile so not much of a betting proposition. Neither is Altior at 7/4 at this stage but what an absolute monster of a horse.
I think Sprinter Sacre is the best horse I've seen but if you look at the overall profile of both horses Altior doesn't need to be in his shadow at all. Certainly a comparable horse now... and I genuinly don't see any challengers from the Arkle or this years CC stepping forward to put it up to him after the last.
Maybe if they win another CC they'd step him up in trip for a new challenge in the gold cup. Wouldn't make sense next season but I'd love to see him step up in trip and see what he's capable of. He could improve for it.
If I owned him id stay put. But id love to see it.
Yea that is a possibility. As I said a while back and I think you were on the same page, I'm convinced he'd put up a better performance over further but they won't bother with a Ryanair if you have a Champion Chaser that can do what he does... if he's a Supreme, Arkle and 2x Champion Chaser, would they attempt the King George? Perhaps...
I just expect him to go unbeaten for the next 12 months. Let's hope he stays sound.
As a Min fan I am happy to concede once and for all that Altior is better than him, but Douvan, well that's another story, he was absolutely flying along until that error, at least he got up though
I can see how hope springs eternal with Douvan but it's clear he's not a reliable jumper around Cheltenham. The mistake the other day wasn't an anomaly. His jumping let him down last year as well, hence the fractured pelvis.
Hope they keep Altior away from aintree and runs at sandown. Would love to see him again after being there for cheltenham
Not looking good for you thistlecracker....
From Hendo stable tour...
The plan for Altior is the JLT Melling Chase and we still have the option of Sandown. Aintree would be the perfect place to step him up to two and a half miles for the first time and I am rather looking forward to it and would like to step him up. He has put up two copybook performances in both his starts this season and let’s hope he can continue doing that.
2/1 with Sky to win the Melling won't be there for long!
Looks like I’ll jump on the 2/1 instead !
** gone for the double with burning ambition after seeing it mentioned a few times on the forum
** gone for the double with burning ambition after seeing it mentioned a few times on the forum
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I'll be very suprised if altior runs. Min is the one at 12/1 imo. That was from atr if you look at lami serge quotes dosent sound like altior will run to me.
Haha decided to wait until Henderson's unibet blog came out before mentioning it though :highly_amused:
The Lami Serge quote isn't the same as the unibet quote today. I read the Lami Serge quote and ignored it though haha