Ballymore Novice Hurdle 2020

[Lobos]

I was surprised at that quote and expected it to be quickening of a slow pace. But looking at the fractions of 15 seconds per furlong which was what they were hitting today. If you adjust the grade 1race down by 1 minute for the 4 furlongs further of the races you get Envoi @ 3.57.1 and Asterion @3.56.7.

Go figure that and I am not trying to crab Envoi Allen

Good performance by both although clearly Envoi in much stronger race. That's all we need to know.

 

[Mr_mouse]

If he runs in the County I'll never bet again...................




Fuck that ! Lol !

Am I right in thinking you where adamant after royal bond envoi would only be going to the supreme no chance for this. I think you may owe scooby a few pints at the festival for constantly telling you it was this race. While at the bar mines a Guinness

 

[Pendil]

Good performance by both although clearly Envoi in much stronger race. That's all we need to know.

Exactly about a much stronger race and I would have expected the comparative times to be about 5 or 6 seconds faster instead of slightly slower. I will be interested in the RP top speed assessments of both races.

Asterion backed heavily best 20/1 now. Slight tendency to jump right reminds me of Apples Jade

 

[somer1]

Guinness tastes like sh1t.Wack a Tia Maria in mine please

 

[Lobos]

Am I right in thinking you where adamant after royal bond envoi would only be going to the supreme no chance for this. I think you may owe scooby a few pints at the festival for constantly telling you it was this race. While at the bar mines a Guinness ����

Indeed, said Supreme on the back of what the owners said. Ballymore was my preference though punting wise so more than happy to be 'wrong'. Bets were down on Envoi a long time ago so not sure Scooby will be expecting any pints. I like a man who sticks by his guns though, bit like myself.

 

[Scooby91]

Indeed, said Supreme on the back of what the owners said. Ballymore was my preference though punting wise so more than happy to be 'wrong'. Bets were down on Envoi a long time ago so not sure Scooby will be expecting any pints. I like a man who sticks by his guns though, bit like myself.

Only tap water.

I do not drink alcohol what so ever, due to an extremely low tolerance.

So no excuses from myself of being pissed when placing, on the likes of sceau royal CC.

 

[The King Pimm]

Credit it too you Scooby, you’re rarely wrong even when the tide is flowing in the other direction, you called the Envoi distance right by the look of it and you were also spot about in your analysis of the Tornado Flyer/Dunvegan race today, you’re a very knowledgeable racing punter

 

[Humble Pie]

Only tap water.

I do not drink alcohol what so ever, due to an extremely low tolerance.

So no excuses from myself of being pissed when placing, on the likes of sceau royal CC.

Ffs you’re confusing me with Lobos :concern::concern:

I also have a low tolerance level to most things :highly_amused:

 

[Scooby91]

Just incase anyone was thinking a step up to the bartlett, despite the owners.

Reflecting on Longhouse Poet's performance Brassil commented: "I was very pleased with the run.

“The winner has that much more experience and miles under his belt, in good company.

“We'd be very pleased in his first run out of maiden company. He stays and I'd say he could be a better horse when he has more horses around him too.

“We'll probably enter him for the two-mile-six at Leopardstown but he could go straight for the Ballymore.”

 

[FaugheenTheMachine]

If Fiddlerontheroof goes for the Supreme does The Big Breakaway come here?

 

[Scooby91]

If Fiddlerontheroof goes for the Supreme does The Big Breakaway come here?

Iv never considered that he dosen't myself. With or without fiddleontheroof. TBB has plenty in the tank, But he needs to step up his opposition and keep winning

 

[jack1092]

Interesting Townend said AF didn't seem very fast. Times suggest he was very impressive especially given that was his first chase start and jumped very right.
Obviously he could just be meaning that for the future in regards to stepping up in trip which Willie confirmed.

Looking forward to watching him next time to see him back it up.

 

[Stormez]

If Fiddlerontheroof goes for the Supreme does The Big Breakaway come here?

I’m hoping so, he’s the only meaningful opposition I’ve got to Envoi Allen now, unless Andy Dufresne bounces back.

 

[Big Bucks]

Just incase anyone was thinking a step up to the bartlett, despite the owners.

Reflecting on Longhouse Poet's performance Brassil commented: "I was very pleased with the run.

“The winner has that much more experience and miles under his belt, in good company.

“We'd be very pleased in his first run out of maiden company. He stays and I'd say he could be a better horse when he has more horses around him too.

“We'll probably enter him for the two-mile-six at Leopardstown but he could go straight for the Ballymore.”

Thats good enough for me.

If Fiddlerontheroof goes for the Supreme does The Big Breakaway come here?

I hope so, a bit of talk and price slashed recently for The Albertt Bartlett, which would be my main danger to my 3 selections i have at nice prices for it!

 

[Kautothegreat8]

Don’t get excited about a horse often but Jesus Christ isn’t Envoi Allen a machine !!!!!! Not gonna get rich from backing him but he really is the real deal isn’t he ??? For me you can’t beat a horse that only does enough. There’s soooooo much left under the bonnet, I mean Davy didn’t do anything other than shake the reigns. If he gets beat at Cheltenham we may aswell all give up the game.

 

[Lobos]

If Fiddlerontheroof goes for the Supreme does The Big Breakaway come here?

Based on what RP said, yes. Fiddler goes Supreme if very soft ground . If it were very soft then TBB would surely go Ballymore. If on good side of soft then RP says Fiddler goes 2 1/2. If that happens then Tizzard will get his wish and split them by MD going Supreme and TBB going Albert. All about the ground so we won't know until a few days before the big meeting.

 

[Scooby91]

Based on what RP said, yes. Fiddler goes Supreme if very soft ground . If it were very soft then TBB would surely go Ballymore. If on good side of soft then RP says Fiddler goes 2 1/2. If that happens then Tizzard will get his wish and split them by MD going Supreme and TBB going Albert. All about the ground so we won't know until a few days before the big meeting.

Why does everything in your view have to be split?
They're different owners and different horses.

.for my money TBB is a better horse than fiddlerontheroof.
Try telling someone who's paid 360k theat for no reason what so ever their horse is being pushed out to the albert bartlett just so there is 1 in each race trained by tizzard

 

[Lobos]

Why does everything in your view have to be split?
They're different owners and different horses.

.for my money TBB is a better horse than fiddlerontheroof.
Try telling someone who's paid 360k theat for no reason what so ever their horse is being pushed out to the albert bartlett just so there is 1 in each race trained by tizzard

Just going by what Tizz said today. The ideal scenario for him but they may of course have to face off .Also think TBB will be better suited by Albert but that's my opinion.

 

[Scooby91]

Slate house and lostintranslation both ran in the supreme. They were conveniently owned by the same 2 owners as fiddlerontheroof and the big breakaway.

They have 2 very able jockeys in harry cobden and robbie power, theres no issue should they both want to run in the ballymore.

 

[jack1092]

Obviously there's a slim chance, but i'd have it highly likely TBB comes here if anywhere. Given they've said he's been bought to be a chelt horse, you'd imagine they will run him as long as he steps up.

Would hate for them to run him in the AB. The fact they've mentioned he's not short of speed also makes me pretty confident they won't.