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Ballymore Novice Hurdle 2020

Can't Catch Me said:
Obviously it was another top class performance by EA, but did nobody else think he was fairly out on his legs by the end?

Obviously it looks a certainty he runs here, but having had the view he had the same chance in either race, I actually think he might have a marginally better chance in the Supreme now. I'm not saying I think he will be beaten because he's quite clearly the best novice around, but if he was, I'd say its more likely he is outstayed in this than out speeded in the Supreme.
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Don't think he was anyway near to being out on his legs. Looked comfortable and in control of the race as he cruised upside ED. He's pinged the last and won without Davy ever having to get too serious, leaving good horses in behind.
 
I saw some of the time/speed guys on twitter were raving about EAs performance but also warning that they think he needs I be kept off until cheltenham.

I’ve no idea how they do their calculations but it must work for them
 
Hurricane fly said:
I saw some of the time/speed guys on twitter were raving about EAs performance but also warning that they think he needs I be kept off until cheltenham.

I’ve no idea how they do their calculations but it must work for them
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Who were they? I saw otherwise tbh.
 
This chap does some speed stuff @JinksMarmaduke

These were his comments on:ENVOI ALLEN hit my biggest NHF fig before the Festival last yr, then he ran faster at Cheltenham. He hit a v gd 85 at Fairyhouse and now he's run a Festival winning 91 at Naas. That was a proper novices' race, I hope it doesn't leave a mark on all of them.
 
Official Irish ratings following weekend races.
Envoi Allen 152
Elixir D'Ainay 146
Longhouse Poet 142
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Obviously it was another top class performance by EA, but did nobody else think he was fairly out on his legs by the end?

Obviously it looks a certainty he runs here, but having had the view he had the same chance in either race, I actually think he might have a marginally better chance in the Supreme now. I'm not saying I think he will be beaten because he's quite clearly the best novice around, but if he was, I'd say its more likely he is outstayed in this than out speeded in the Supreme.
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Out on his feet ???? The whip was never drawn....... certainly haven’t got to the bottom of him yet
 
Abacadabra got within 2 1/2 lengths of him in the previous race, at one point looked like he might pass. No chance he goes to the supreme, none.
 
Can't Catch Me said:
Obviously it was another top class performance by EA, but did nobody else think he was fairly out on his legs by the end?

Obviously it looks a certainty he runs here, but having had the view he had the same chance in either race, I actually think he might have a marginally better chance in the Supreme now. I'm not saying I think he will be beaten because he's quite clearly the best novice around, but if he was, I'd say its more likely he is outstayed in this than out speeded in the Supreme.
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Even ignoring our own eyes and the brilliant judges on here, you just have to listen to Mullins yesterday when asked about Envoi Allen to know how good this fella is.

Mullins was practically creaming his pants about him. And there’s no better judge than him.
 
billymag said:
This chap does some speed stuff @JinksMarmaduke

These were his comments on:ENVOI ALLEN hit my biggest NHF fig before the Festival last yr, then he ran faster at Cheltenham. He hit a v gd 85 at Fairyhouse and now he's run a Festival winning 91 at Naas. That was a proper novices' race, I hope it doesn't leave a mark on all of them.
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Yep i saw his, you'd have to wonder why Simon Rowlands didn't jump through hoops about it and neither did Graeme North!
 
Samcro's Ballymore win was the race that popped into my head as I watched Envoi Allen hitting the front at the weekend.


Watching him put the distance between himself an Elixir D'ainay after the last starts off great and then he looks really slow in the last bit - but so do the ones behind him.


I've definitely seen more impressive looking winners after the last. Davy was animated enough too to stop me going absolutely bananas about him.


He's the best novice hurdler around at any distance I'd imagine this year, but I love a horse to power through the line and expected him to.

I hope he was dossing about, and as I said yesterday, because of his bumper 'battling' quality I don't doubt him in the fight, so he's hopefully better than Samcro.



This season, being just as good as Samcro was will be enough though
 
Martin Brassil on Longhouse poet“We’ll probably enter him for the two-mile-six Grade One at Leopardstown (at the Dublin Racing Festival), but he could go straight for the Ballymore in Cheltenham.
 
Timeform have Envoi Allen at 152P and Elixir D’Ainay at 136p.

Wouldn’t that be interesting as a handicap with Envoi Allen having to give Elixir D’Ainay 16lbs? (or maybe over 20lb if you converted the Big P into an expected higher rating).
 
Hamptonfox said:
Timeform have Envoi Allen at 152P and Elixir D’Ainay at 136p.

Wouldn’t that be interesting as a handicap with Envoi Allen having to give Elixir D’Ainay 16lbs? (or maybe over 20lb if you converted the Big P into an expected higher rating).
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Elixir D'ainay all day.

16 lbs?

Are they bananas?




16 lbs superior of Elixir D'ainay?



I wish timeform did the official ratings, I'd make Elixir D'ainay the best handicapped horse in training and smash him wherever he went.





What TF are doing there is what you'd call in the playground, "Attention Seeking"
 
My X figure sum I put on the Envoi tank @ 10/1 in early October. I’m licking my lips......����������������������
 
Timeform Features
"The Lawlor’s of Naas Novice Hurdle has been dominated by the powerhouse yards of Gordon Elliott and Willie Mullins since the race was accorded Grade 1 status in 2015, and*Envoi Allen*(152P) and*Elixir d’Ainay*(up 7 lb to 136p) had this year’s renewal between them from the outset at Naas on Sunday."
 
Kevloaf said:
Samcro's Ballymore win was the race that popped into my head as I watched Envoi Allen hitting the front at the weekend.


Watching him put the distance between himself an Elixir D'ainay after the last starts off great and then he looks really slow in the last bit - but so do the ones behind him.


I've definitely seen more impressive looking winners after the last. Davy was animated enough too to stop me going absolutely bananas about him.


He's the best novice hurdler around at any distance I'd imagine this year, but I love a horse to power through the line and expected him to.

I hope he was dossing about, and as I said yesterday, because of his bumper 'battling' quality I don't doubt him in the fight, so he's hopefully better than Samcro.



This season, being just as good as Samcro was will be enough though
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Good comparison between Samcro's Ballymore win actually. Samcro absolutely breezed by and then seemed to find very little after that, granted he did lose a shoe on the run in but you would have just expected him to take off...likewise with Envoi Allen yesterday. Impressive run but there's definitely beating in the horse, just maybe not in the next couple of months...
 
EnvoyAllen said:
My X figure sum I put on the Envoi tank @ 10/1 in early October. I’m licking my lips......����������������������
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Did you spell his name wrong on purprose? :highly_amused:

Your user name, not the tank bit.
 
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