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Ballymore Novice Hurdle 2019

ComplyOrDie said:
He doesn't run, which is no big deal anyway, plenty of time for him.

I hadn't seen that quote Innoko, so thanks, however I always envisioned them saying he was going to potentially be an Albert Bartlett type, but I'd respectfully disagree for now, despite my knowledge being far less superior to theirs, I think at this stage of the season I am happy to take most quotes with a pinch of salt :)
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To be fair it came from Walsh in the week, so a 'pinch of salt' is most definitely needed :highly_amused:
 
CoF entered up for Friday over 2m 6f...
 
Innoko said:
CoF entered up for Friday over 2m 6f...
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Nice one Innoko, had a few points with Bet 365 for the Supreme (had already backed him for the Ballymore) after Gordon's comments saying he'd prefer shorter. Have been cashing that out and replacing with free bets over last week or so as the 25s didn't move. The lack of money for him in either race concerns me somewhat and I don't want too many points of real money on him at this stage.
 
Rhinestone_Cowboy said:
Nice one Innoko, had a few points with Bet 365 for the Supreme (had already backed him for the Ballymore) after Gordon's comments saying he'd prefer shorter. Have been cashing that out and replacing with free bets over last week or so as the 25s didn't move. The lack of money for him in either race concerns me somewhat and I don't want too many points of real money on him at this stage.
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I wouldn't say there was a lack of money for him, well not on the exchanges anyway, there was just a lack of a market really, but he dominates the Ballymore with over 50% of money (albeit small) matched on him.
 
Fair point CoD, should have clarified 'high street bookie' prices have hardly moved since their opening shows. Might be one that shows more on the track, but at this early stage I'd like to see a bit more support for him if I was considering any sort of top up
 
Afternoon all, don't normally post but im an avid reader. With COF being entered over 2m6f friday would you assume this rules out Supreme route? I would assume they wouldn't start out further and come back in distance?
 
Inglis Drever said:
Afternoon all, don't normally post but im an avid reader. With COF being entered over 2m6f friday would you assume this rules out Supreme route? I would assume they wouldn't start out further and come back in distance?
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I'd be pretty sure he won't run in that race, looks like it would suit invincible cave to me. . But you'd have to be massively worried if cof did run and you was on for the supreme
 
Yea I would agree he doesn't look likely to run friday, Im very much in the ballymore camp at this stage, so the entry would confirm rough target distance at the very least I suppose
 
Innoko said:
CoF entered up for Friday over 2m 6f...
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Does anyone have the list of previous winners (or editions) for the race he's entered in?

I can't find the data.
 
Kevloaf said:
Does anyone have the list of previous winners (or editions) for the race he's entered in?

I can't find the data.
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I know poli roi won it last year,
I don't think it's a significant maiden hurdle, historically
 
Kevloaf said:
Does anyone have the list of previous winners (or editions) for the race he's entered in?

I can't find the data.
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2017*Poli Roi 5 11-12 D N Russell 1/4Fav (Gordon Elliott)*
2016*Monbeg Notorious 5 11-12 R Walsh 8/11Fav (Gordon Elliott)*
2015*Cogryhill 5 11-12 B J Cooper 2/7Fav (Gordon Elliott)*
2014*Better Back Bob 8 10-13 G B Watters 5/1 (Neil McKnight)*
2013*Doesheeverstop 5 11-4 Andrew J McNamara 20/1 (Michael Hourigan)*
2012*Bonisland 4 11-8 D N Russell 13/8 (Gordon Elliott)*
2011*Ipsos Du Berlais 5 11-12 D N Russell 4/5Fav (Noel Meade)*
2010*Saville Row 5 11-4 R M Power 16/1 (Mrs John Harrington)*
2009*Danderry 5 11-12 M Darcy 10/1 (Paul W Flynn)*
2008*Grand Charisma 5 11-1 Mr C J Sweeney 8/1 (Rodger Sweeney)*
2007*Uncle Junior 6 11-12 R Walsh 2/1Fav (W P Mullins)*
2006*Casey Jones 5 11-12 P Carberry 4/1 (Noel Meade)*
2005*Hear The Echo 4 11-7 C O'Dwyer 4/1 (David Wachman)*
2004*Liberty Flag 5 11-12 B J Geraghty 7/1 (Patrick J Flynn)*
2003*Well Presented 5 11-12 B J Geraghty 4/11Fav (Mrs John Harrington)*
2002*Rose Perk 6 10-6 A J Donoghue 16/1 (E Sheehy)*
2001*Brackney Boy 7 11-3 N P Mulholland 16/1 (I A Duncan)*
2000*On The Mend 7 11-6 T P Rudd 10/1 (M J P O'Brien)*
1999*Coq Hardi Diamond 5 11-6 P Carberry 9/4Fav (Noel Meade)
 
Kevloaf said:
Does anyone have the list of previous winners (or editions) for the race he's entered in?

I can't find the data.
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Okay I found it....

2017 - Poli Roi won it for Elliott and Russell at 1/4
He went on to be hammered behind Next Destination on his next start (Cracking Smart was 2nd) and did nothing the rest of the season actually. Was hyped up a bit before the season started from memory.

2016 - Monbeg Notorious - Elliott/R.Walsh 8/11f - (The Storyteller Fell in the face) - Moulin A Vent was well thought of and came a close 2nd. Winner didn't go to Cheltenham

2015 - Cogryhill - Elliott/Cooper 2/7f - (The Storyteller 2nd) - I don't remember this horse, rated 123 at peak.

2014 - Better Back Bob
2013 - Doesheeverstop


One that Elliott/Gigginstown clearly have as a starting point for some of their novices but I'd be worried for Commander Of Fleet as an ante post prospect if he rocked up here.
 
A 'Boat' Race! :devilish:

To be fair both Poli Roi and Monbeg Notorious went into their seasons well regarded and if they had lived up to the hype a Cheltenham target may well have materialised, and it doesn't really have an effect on future renewals (but I do always like to look into this angle myself) but at face value it certainly wouldn't have you thinking Supreme that's for sure!
 
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Gordon sees Down Royal as the start to the season proper and looks to send out a message. Willie is usually a few weeks behind.

In general, the first race isn't significant but the second race probably is.
 
archie said:
Gordon sees Down Royal as the start to the season proper and looks to send out a message. Willie is usually a few weeks behind.

In general, the first race isn't significant but the second race probably is.
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How long until Elliott gets his title Archie?

It has an heir of inevitability...

I love them both so much :highly_amused: The fact Elliott is now the back-to-back champion trainer at the festival is mind-boggling.
 
I think that Gordon needs to diversify or get Gigginstown to invest in more than potential Gold Cup horses. Gordon has a good number of moderate horses who can pick up 5k here and 10k there but the moderate horses take up as much time and effort as the good ones. He has shown what he can achieve with good horses but, by and large, he seems to have a bit of a scattergun approach. Living for the day if you like.
I suppose that the fascination of the situation is that they are so very different in their approach as Willie is well known for working back from the spring festivals with the good horses although, as an owner, you are often wrong-footed by a late change of plan to get the right horse in the right race.
 
As a by the by, I was at Down Royal in 2016 (to see Airlie Beach grab some more black type) and The Storyteller, who was a talking horse even then, would have won the maiden hurdle comfortably had he not fallen.
 
I was literally about to say that Archie- re the storyteller!

Also, on Mullins/Elliot title, it's probably fair to say Elliot had a golden opportunity last year, Mullins had a lot of new horses that had been part of the restocking stage after Giggy fallout- this year, a year older and by the looks of things full of talent, it will be very hard for Elliot. Just look at the Cheltenham bumper as an example, Mullins has some very strong young horses coming through. As does Elliot, but i'd say last year was a much better opportunity.
 
Along with his entry this Friday (as already discussed) Commander of Fleet has 2 other entries this Saturday Down Royal) and Sunday (Cork). Both 2mile maiden hurdles
 
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