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Arkle 2020

billymag said:
Fair enough, I was surprised that he chose Melon, connections have only really talked about Melon stepping up in trip, personally im glad that they are running him here so they can find out properly if hes an Arkle horse. I feel strongly that Carefully Selected is going for the wrong race and they havent actually found out if hes good enough to win the G1 3 miles race which he should be going for.
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I'm obviously hoping Cash Back wins this weekend and would prefer Danny to keep the ride at Cheltenham if it falls that way.
 
billymag said:
Fair enough, I was surprised that he chose Melon, connections have only really talked about Melon stepping up in trip, personally im glad that they are running him here so they can find out properly if hes an Arkle horse. I feel strongly that Carefully Selected is going for the wrong race and they havent actually found out if hes good enough to win the G1 3 miles race which he should be going for.
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They've got Battleoverdoyen for that though & they seem to think the world of him... not that they're adverse to running more than one in a race however
 
billymag said:
Fair enough, I was surprised that he chose Melon, connections have only really talked about Melon stepping up in trip, personally im glad that they are running him here so they can find out properly if hes an Arkle horse. I feel strongly that Carefully Selected is going for the wrong race and they havent actually found out if hes good enough to win the G1 3 miles race which he should be going for.
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Not certain they'll get to the bottom of Melon this weekend. Given his form before Chelt and all that...
 
Not sure what to make of the news Brewin is going straight to the Festival. Is it necessarily a negative? It feels it is and leaves a few doubts whether he is ready for the step up in standard around a course he’s not jumped fences around yet. Apart from a lack of fitness or slight injury do you think he’s just ran out of racing time?
 
Kevloaf said:
Small negative?
Neutral?
Positive?
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Would much rather have seen a smoother prep Kev, so has to be a small negative. I’m still if the opinion that he’ll be the best this side of the Irish Sea though and that he’ll be a player come March.
 
Morley Street said:
Would much rather have seen a smoother prep Kev, so has to be a small negative. I’m still if the opinion that he’ll be the best this side of the Irish Sea though and that he’ll be a player come March.
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I don't disagree with him potentially being the best this side of the Irish Sea.

I do think that puts him 4th at best though :concern:


I have backed him now, in anticipation that he shortens....although him now not running prior might alter that.


No rush to act yet I suppose, certainly not before the weekend's Irish Arkle
 
What's the reason for Brewin going straight to Cheltenham?
 
Morley Street said:
Ran out of time getting him ready for the Kingmaker. Murphy said he was only prepared to run if fully fit and is happy to go there fresh instead.
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Cheers Morley. I like the horse but don't like them going straight to the festival.

Big negative for me.
 
Kevloaf said:
I don't disagree with him potentially being the best this side of the Irish Sea.

I do think that puts him 4th at best though :concern:


I have backed him now, in anticipation that he shortens....although him now not running prior might alter that.


No rush to act yet I suppose, certainly not before the weekend's Irish Arkle
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Think he’ll still shorten Kev as the the pecking order of the 3 Irish potentially ahead of him should be sorted soon and punters will still be looking for an alternative.
 
Morley Street said:
Think he’ll still shorten Kev as the the pecking order of the 3 Irish potentially ahead of him should be sorted soon and punters will still be looking for an alternative.
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I think people will assume that Brewin is better than whatever comes 3rd tomorrow.

I don't think that it's as clear cut as that, but that is where punters will start comparing the value and merit of certain horses.



Let's say [Melon] comes 3rd, behind Cash Back and Notebook - people will automatically assume Brewin'upastorm is better value than Melon, and disregard Melon's chances of winning the Arkle.... when in reality, they're not linked?




That is why I think Brewin'upastorm will be the 'hipsters' kind of tip, but there won't be much substance to it..... I feel the Irish are quite a way clear.


I can't prove that, obviously.
 
He was made to work there
 
ryanh97 said:
He was made to work there
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Nothing will get near those two.
That was a real race.
Only danger is they get really carried away at Cheltenham and go far too fast.
Bumpaume.:highly_amused:
 
Hopefully that silences the doubters, some performance considering his pre race antics
 
Cor im suprised the speedstar bapauame didnt get up there! Its notebooks time!
 
That was a sensational race. Those two are miles clear than anything else in the betting for this imo
 
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