Arkle 2020

[ComplyOrDie]

Very hard for 5yos in the Arkle since they binned the age allowance.

Yes, one thing that hadn't passed me by. Might well be why they are thinking another season over hurdles!

 

[BigChaang]

They will go slowly with Pic D, with a view to chasing, no decision made as of 2 weeks ago but leaning towards another year over hurdles. The other interesting one for the connections is Danny Kirwan who wont be seen until the spring and is rated 120 over hurdles so youd expect they will be taking a big swing at something, although off that rating it wont be cheltenham, unless they can get it up before.

I don't feel quite such a muppet now , for taking the 100-1 on Pic D - ch. hdl. cheers Billymag.

 

[Middle_Of_March]

I’m on Pic D’Orhy any race too. 25s

 

[Kevloaf]

I'm not suggesting he can't go on to be a really good horse... I was just highlighting that the reason he had such a big buzz around him for last year was with a view to the Triumph and the edge he had.

He's lost that, so 25/1 any race is fine.. but he's going from a small pond to a huge pond and he didn't prove he was the big fish in the small pond yet...

Pic D'Orhy of course had a big following on here prior to the Final Furlong Podcast waxing lyrical about him... as scooby and others with a decent grasp on French form made the case - I fear the FFP will ruin the price about him now though, as the 'edge' we may have had from our members is now much more mainstream with this horse...

 

[billymag]

Heard that PFN is talking up Getaway Trump for Nov Chasing if you like him for this id back him before his stable tours are out

 

[Big Chac]

Heard that PFN is talking up Getaway Trump for Nov Chasing if you like him for this id back him before his stable tours are out

He's one I fancied for this, nice to hear they're going chasing....thanks billy

At the end of last season I think PN suggested they were going to be going down the champion hurdle route so I presume his schooling over fences has gone well.

 

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

Heard that PFN is talking up Getaway Trump for Nov Chasing if you like him for this id back him before his stable tours are out

Looks like there was a bit of money for him today with PP/BFSB cutting his price to 12s. 20s still in a place and when that place is 365 my arm doesn’t need much twisting to get involved

 

[JackieMoon33]

Looks like there was a bit of money for him today with PP/BFSB cutting his price to 12s. 20s still in a place and when that place is 365 my arm doesn’t need much twisting to get involved

Getaway Trump was the second highest rated novice hurdler by Time Form and ended the season with an official OR of 155 after winning a Sandown handicap off top weight. Got to be on the shortlist and 20/1 with Bet365 is a great price.

 

[SAMCRO]

Does anyone know the well being of Draconien? Is he back in training?

Archie Perhaps?

 

[charlie]

Does anyone know the well being of Draconien? Is he back in training?

Archie Perhaps?

Absolutely no idea. I have trawled social media for information on this and drawn a complete blank. Whilst his wellbeing is a complete mystery, 40/1 is about the right price to take a speculative punt based on his run LTO, and Willie saying he is 'very very good' over fences. He even drew comparison with Footpad which means he must think he's a serious horse. My concern is Willie only ever seems to send one down the Arkle route and you have Klassical Dream, Laurina, Melon, Mr Adjudicator, Aramon and Saldier all in the mix ahead of Draconien in the market, so Draconien will have to live up to those words and some to end up there past all of the others.

 

[JackieMoon33]

Absolutely no idea. I have trawled social media for information on this and drawn a complete blank. Whilst his wellbeing is a complete mystery, 40/1 is about the right price to take a speculative punt based on his run LTO, and Willie saying he is 'very very good' over fences. He even drew comparison with Footpad which means he must think he's a serious horse. My concern is Willie only ever seems to send one down the Arkle route and you have Klassical Dream, Laurina, Melon, Mr Adjudicator, Aramon and Saldier all in the mix ahead of Draconien in the market, so Draconien will have to live up to those words and some to end up there past all of the others.

Despite oddschecker listing the horses, I doubt many of your list will be running in the Arkle.

I'm pretty sure Klassical Dream and Saldier have both been confirmed for hurdling this season.
Laurina he'll probably mess around with this season until the Mares Chase is added to the Festival.
Melon I believe is now confirmed to go chasing.
Mr Adjudicator is not a chaser (Mullins word) and will go down the staying hurdle route I'd imagine.
Aramon I'm not sure of.

 

[SAMCRO]

Despite oddschecker listing the horses, I doubt many of your list will be running in the Arkle.

I'm pretty sure Klassical Dream and Saldier have both been confirmed for hurdling this season.
Laurina he'll probably mess around with this season until the Mares Chase is added to the Festival.
Melon I believe is now confirmed to go chasing.
Mr Adjudicator is not a chaser (Mullins word) and will go down the staying hurdle route I'd imagine.
Aramon I'm not sure of.

Looks about right, I can only see Melon & Draconien being potential arkle horses for him from the odds available at this stage anyway.

 

[ComplyOrDie]

Looks about right, I can only see Melon & Draconien being potential arkle horses for him from the odds available at this stage anyway.

Sharjah too, but his well being, like Draconiens, needs confirming too.

 

[SAMCRO]

Sharjah too, but his well being, like Draconiens, needs confirming too.

I'd be concerned about the ground for him. Needs good ground doesn't he?

 

[The King Pimm]

I’m sure I read Quick Grabim is going chasing this year, if this is the case I think he could be a potential Arkle winner. He missed Cheltenham this year due to injury but he impressed me over 2 mile over hurdles

 

[SAMCRO]

I’m sure I read Quick Grabim is going chasing this year, if this is the case I think he could be a potential Arkle winner. He missed Cheltenham this year due to injury but he impressed me over 2 mile over hurdles

His reappearances at Punchestown and Auteuil wouldn't fill me with much confidence. Could improve for a fence mind.

 

[The King Pimm]

I agree Samcro, I’ve not seen those races personally but the results are poor. I do remember watching the race at Fairyhouse last December though and was impressed by his positive and aggressive tactics under Ruby and he’s not shown similar tactics since. If he can jump a fence and applies a similar tactic he may last home at a big price even if front runners have a poor record in the Arkle. At this stage I’ll be backing Quick Grabim in the hope he can jump.

 

[Middle_Of_March]

I agree Samcro, I’ve not seen those races personally but the results are poor. I do remember watching the race at Fairyhouse last December though and was impressed by his positive and aggressive tactics under Ruby and he’s not shown similar tactics since. If he can jump a fence and applies a similar tactic he may last home at a big price even if front runners have a poor record in the Arkle. At this stage I’ll be backing Quick Grabim in the hope he can jump.

If he can jump a fence, he won’t be running in any race over fences next season at a big price.

 

[Quevega]

Just backed Quick Grabim for arkle.
Worth taking risk that he does go over fences, as his breeding is pretty decent, Oscar and dams sire beneficial.
I think generally produce decent chasers.
For some reason I had Grabim down as a flat bred in my head. doh !
whoever mentioned, cheers. as it made me look again.

 

[Middle_Of_March]

Olly Murphy said today that Thomas Darby is one he hopes will be an Arkle horse.

Seemed to suggest Brewinupastorm will start at 2m at Warwick but is one that may be stepped up in trip as and when.