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2025 Stayers Hurdle

Think it fair to say that Strong Leader is a lot better than that yesterday!!
I would not give up on him, and still think he’s a lively one for e/w.
 
Carnage at Taunton said:
Ah ok, so one of Willies novices might be, but Lucky Place ain’t.
So he’s not an improver then? But they can be?
Why??
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He's got a long way to go to catch up as do Willies Novice's that may go the Stayers route but some of those are starting off with a higher rating than LP has achieved so far so have a head start with regards to further improvement . LP was beaten by Langer Dan getting weight in the CC and Langer Dan is just a very good Handicapper and won't be winning a Stayers. I also don't trust the form of his Ascot race as it turned into a bit of a sprint and everything finished on top of each other and two beaten horses that have ran since have both been beaten. In truth Carnage, I don't believe anything will improve past Teahupoo this season. Nowhere near.
 
Carnage at Taunton said:
Think it fair to say that Strong Leader is a lot better than that yesterday!!
I would not give up on him, and still think he’s a lively one for e/w.
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Anything said by connections? It can't just be the RH thing can it ? He ran like a drain.
 
Lobos said:
He's got a long way to go to catch up as do Willies Novice's that may go the Stayers route but some of those are starting off with a higher rating than LP has achieved so far so have a head start with regards to further improvement . LP was beaten by Langer Dan getting weight in the CC and Langer Dan is just a very good Handicapper and won't be winning a Stayers. I also don't trust the form of his Ascot race as it turned into a bit of a sprint and everything finished on top of each other and two beaten horses that have ran since have both been beaten. In truth Carnage, I don't believe anything will improve past Teahupoo this season. Nowhere near.
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Ok, fair enough.
And take your points re Langar.
I think he’s(LP) an e/w shout in what looks like being a fairly crap race.
Hes on my side anyway.
 
Carnage at Taunton said:
Ok, fair enough.
And take your points re Langar.
I think he’s(LP) an e/w shout in what looks like being a fairly crap race.
Hes on my side anyway.
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EW is ok although I'd be more inclined to wait for the day and look at prices 'Without Teahupoo ' so as not to waste the 'win' part of any EW bet. Just a thought.
 
Lobos said:
EW is ok although I'd be more inclined to wait for the day and look at prices 'Without Teahupoo ' so as not to waste the 'win' part of any EW bet. Just a thought.
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Yep, that makes sense.
Offers on the day, always worth remembering that.
At the moment I’m looking at a few possible e/w shouts ante post as the prices allow that thanks to the fav.
But definitely will be looking on the day.
 
Irish Rugby said:
Wouldn't be at all surprised to see something similar to this year, with Home by the Lee and Buddy One also in the mix. I'd say the Skelton's would be confident of a strong showing by Langer Dan as well.
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I thought Buddy One was a Chaser now Irish Rugby , although the Last run might have made them consider going hurdling again .. ?/.
 
Lobos said:
Anything said by connections? It can't just be the RH thing can it ? He ran like a drain.
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On I.t.v. , the commentator - ( tom Scu ? ) said he didn't think Strong Leader liked the ground , but that he thought he ( s.l. ) jumped well ..
 
BigChaang said:
On I.t.v. , the commentator - ( tom Scu ? ) said he didn't think Strong Leader liked the ground , but that he thought he ( s.l. ) jumped well ..
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Ok. Cheers BC. Have to say it looked more than that but maybe jockey looked after him once he knew he was going nowhere and let him come home in his own time. Could virtually call it a PU really. Jockeys did say ground was sticky. We'll know more next time. He'll definitely not be going RH again for sure.
 
BigChaang said:
On I.t.v. , the commentator - ( tom Scu ? ) said he didn't think Strong Leader liked the ground , but that he thought he ( s.l. ) jumped well ..
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It was also said, I can't remember by who,that it was a wind problem and would require surgery.
 
I think it was the trainer on TV who said he had a wind problem that would need surgery

Is this something that can be fixed quickly and in turn SL return to full heath quickly ? Ie if it was a wind issue and he has the op, then can he still run in the Stayers in March ?
 
Wayward Lad said:
I think it was the trainer on TV who said he had a wind problem that would need surgery

Is this something that can be fixed quickly and in turn SL return to full heath quickly ? Ie if it was a wind issue and he has the op, then can he still run in the Stayers in March ?
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Yeah, if it's a minor one. He runs well fresh so could go straight there or perhaps have a run mid Feb?
 
Wayward Lad said:
I think it was the trainer on TV who said he had a wind problem that would need surgery

Is this something that can be fixed quickly and in turn SL return to full heath quickly ? Ie if it was a wind issue and he has the op, then can he still run in the Stayers in March ?
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Wind issue confirmed in Racing Post now. Looks like they hope to run end of January, let alone March:

Murphy told the Racing Post: "He's got a wind issue. I'm glad something has come to light because it was way too bad to be true.
"He's due to see wind-specialist Ben Brain at the back end of the week and we'll go from there. It's something that can be solved and while it was very disappointing on the day, I'm glad there was a reason and we'll get it sorted."
"We'll have him back ready to hopefully run in something like the Cleeve if his wind operation goes well. When a horse stops that quick, it's not through ability. He's beaten Crambo and Hiddenvalley Lake well [before] and that's the most frustrating part of it.
"He never turned up on the day as he had a health issue, which he's never had before."
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Odin said:
Wind issue confirmed in Racing Post now. Looks like they hope to run end of January, let alone March:

Murphy told the Racing Post: "He's got a wind issue. I'm glad something has come to light because it was way too bad to be true.
"He's due to see wind-specialist Ben Brain at the back end of the week and we'll go from there. It's something that can be solved and while it was very disappointing on the day, I'm glad there was a reason and we'll get it sorted."
"We'll have him back ready to hopefully run in something like the Cleeve if his wind operation goes well. When a horse stops that quick, it's not through ability. He's beaten Crambo and Hiddenvalley Lake well [before] and that's the most frustrating part of it.
"He never turned up on the day as he had a health issue, which he's never had before."
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So is he now cracking each way value at 25/1 ?

He was a solid second fav at around 12/1 before Saturdays run…..is the price an over reaction ?
 
FinalFurlong91 said:
Nope not imo. Poor record at the track casts huge doubts even over a place.
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Before writing him off I’d watch his run in the cleeve last year
I distinctly remember thinking he might be an outside option until they didn’t enter.
 
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